Very perplexing

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Steven Shaw, Sep 5, 2021.

  1. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    I can't figure out how this could have happened. Part of the motto IR in AMERICA is in the denticles. Thoughts?

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  3. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    My guess would be post mint damage. What does the other side look like?
     
  4. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    Looks fine. If it's damage, it's the perfect shape of the bottom of the I and R.
     
  5. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    Here's cropped images which is all I have. Coin is not in hand. The rim is on the right

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  6. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    PMD from contact with the legend of another coin?
     
  7. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    The letters are raised and not reversed
     
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  8. Hiwatt

    Hiwatt Coffee break

    It looks like a Photoshop clone tool error to me. If that's what it is, there's no ethical reason for a seller to be using that particular image manipulation tool on a coin photo.
     
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  9. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    I see what you are referring to and have no explanation on how that could have happened. Additional posts from more experienced members will be interesting to read.
     
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  10. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    The RI in the rim has identical hits and lighting as the original RI, which is pretty much impossible. Has to be photo manipulation. Is it being advertised as having RI in the denticles? Otherwise maybe they manipulated it to conceal rim damage and messed up.
     
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  11. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    Thanks
     
  12. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted Supporter

    I agree, probably photo manipulation.
     
  13. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

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    These three are die fillings, retained after strike.
    Usually when a lamination falls off the coin it will keep some of the details of the die. If you look closely the details of where the dentils should be are there.
    So, personally I would call this a loss of lamination.
     
  14. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    I think you missed the part where the bottoms of RI are in the denticles. Red lines below are pointing to features that are identical in both sets of RI.
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  15. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    There can be really only one way that you get a raised looking image that reads correctly any where on the coin it is:
    1. Being double struck
    or,
    2. Struck thru die filling

    I could be way off had a few beers and BBqing.
    It is either that or has been altered, just my 2 cents.
     
  16. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    Very cool...
    The issue at hand is
    Coin is not in hand:p
    When will it be in hand?
     
  17. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    Off hand, soon I hope. ;)
     
  18. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    What I don’t understand is twice you’ve mentioned it’s IR but in spelling the word America it’s RI.
     
  19. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    You so picky :D
     
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  20. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Maybe, but think about what you are saying it is and how it got there. The letters can’t be switched if it’s genuine.
     
  21. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    Well OBVIOUSLY he's using the hunt and peck method of typing and his left finger is ever so slightly longer...probably an old table saw or joiner accident :p
     
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