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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;EagleEye, post: 520481, member: 16990&quot;]Here is a very deceptive die-struck fake. I think it was made in the 1960&#039;s to 1970&#039;s from correspondence with the owner and the existence of old dirt on the edge of the coin. It looks like it was in an album for 30 years. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Don&#039;t ask me how I know, it just doesn&#039;t look like a new fake, like a Chinese one, for instance. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The owner just sent it to me. Upon opening the package it was obvious that it was &quot;wrong&quot;. Here is the coin with a real 1909-S VDB. The difference? I guess I can say it didn&#039;t pass the &quot;smell&quot; test! It just didn&#039;t look right. Why? After another moment looking at it, I noticed that the rims were way too high. The portrait is too low in the die.</p><p><img src="http://www.indiancent.com/coins/1909svdb_comparison.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>A real one is on the left. Notice on the fake, the field is dished. The die got concave in the die making process. So the field rises slightly in the center. There are other very subtle differences. </p><p>Lets look at the Mintmark:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://www.indiancent.com/coins/1909svdb_cft_s.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>This looks just like the real MM. This is where those who would OK this coin based on the MM would get taken. It is not an added S. </p><p>Next lets look at the edge:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://www.indiancent.com/coins/1909svdb_cft_edge.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You see very strong filing of the edge. This is very suspect. The fake when it left the dies likely had very sharp wire edges. This would have made anyone condemn it as a fake, so the counterfeiter had to file it down. </p><p>Now, I hope I have convinced everyone about the coin. But lets look at other things. On the reverse, off the O in ONE is a die flaw that is never seen on any genuine 1909-S VDB:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://www.indiancent.com/coins/1909svdb_cft_on.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>This is the ultimate smoking gun! It is much easier to know the diagnostics of an original than to know the diagnostics of every fake out there. No genuine 1909-S VDB has that flaw. This is a great diagnostic for this fake. A raised lump is a depression on the die. This depression in the die is not fixable by the counterfeiter, so unless he remakes the die, all fakes from this die will have this defect. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Over by the E in E PLURIBUS is a lint depression. These may be on the die (they would be raised) or are a strike-through made when the counterfeit was struck. Regardless, when did you ever see a 1909-S VDB with a lint strike-through? Sure, it could happen, but it is very odd. </p><p>Here are some more. Also, notice how low the relief of Lincoln is. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://www.indiancent.com/coins/1909svdb_cft_nose.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Here is the VDB with more depressions:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://www.indiancent.com/coins/1909svdb_cft_vdb.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>There is a small lump just off the tip of the base of the wheat ear. This is not known on genuine pieces. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I hope I have helped the cent collectors out there.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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