VARIETY: 1941-S Large "S" Jefferson Nickel FS-501

Thanks. Now does your quote above go with the other thread also?

Otherwise, it would be nice to ask that person to tell us the diagnostic markers for each die and perhaps they can provide photos for the different positions of the Large "S" mint mark found on each die.

 

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I guess the variation in mint mark punches mark the dies as different since all elements of the master hub would be the same for all dies. But adding the mint marks creates the same variation as elements added before the use of master hubs or at least added elements before the master hubs had presses that would transfer all the elements of the hub without touch ups of each die as in the 1798 and 1800 dies where stems and berries had to be touched up and created identifiable dies.

I first thought the post showed two different S punches for the 1941s until I looked closer at the post and figured out the Large S with the circular serif was for large S punches used AFTER 1941 rather than a second Large S punch for the 1941s. I do wonder if there are variations in the small S punches or their location/orientation which are identifiable.

 

Marshall, posted: "I guess the variation in mint mark punches mark the dies as different since all elements of the master hub would be the same for all dies."

That's correct. And, until a previous poster cites evidence to the contrary, there was only one reverse die with a large "S" mint mark.

"But adding the mint marks creates the same variation as elements added before the use of master hubs or at least added elements before the master hubs had presses that would transfer all the elements of the hub without touch ups of each die as in the 1798 and 1800 dies where stems and berries had to be touched up and created identifiable dies."

Actually, this is not entirely true. I know this is not new to you; but we cannot compare the way dies were produced back than to the 1940's. The only noticeable difference with the modern dies (when new) was the various positions of the mint marks.

"I first thought the post showed two different S punches for the 1941s until I looked closer at the post and figured out the Large S with the circular serif was for large S punches used AFTER 1941 rather than a second Large S punch for the 1941s. I do wonder if there are variations in the small S punches or their location/orientation which are identifiable."

Of course there are. anyone interested can start recording them. I'm not interested. If the 41-S small "S" were a rare date it would have already been done by nickel specialists.

 

Hi very new to this but I found a 1941 large s possibly over small s nickel this morning. Would like to know if you agree. Would also like to know if it's quite common for this to happen and why mint marks get stamped over other mint marks thank you for the article.

 

Def. a large S which is nice even in this circulated example.
I can't tell from the photo (need clearer unangled shot) if it is large S over small s.
I was unaware that was even a variety and my instinct says it's not. But the large S is a good find by itself.

 

I can’t see any evidence of large S over small S. Never heard of its existence. Looks like a deteriorated die and years of circulation wear.

However, thanks @Ironworker for resurrecting this old thread. It gave me an opportunity to “start at the very beginning” as they sang in The Sound of Music and learn a few things.

Steve

 

Ty guys for the replies.i well get a better pic for you all to see.i really think it is stamped over something.ty again.

 

Start a new thread. Then the folks that aren't watching this thread can help you also.

 

The OP stated that there was only one reverse die for the large S. he said he got it from a book by Bowers. So I wonder where Bowers got this info?

 

Wow I love this community I just found me roll hunting a 1941 s and looked at the redbook 2 only be confused of this small and large s but this explanation couldn't have been any clearer. Thanks so much for the details and pics...I just found out I definitely have the large S... couldn't be happier. Thanks again for your info and pics.

 

Excellent job describing the differences of the small and large S on coin. Thank you so much!

 

Agree.. superb thread with great illustrations. Stands the test of time!

 

Thanks, @Lehigh96 for this thread

 

I just found out about the large S on this thread. Thanks!
This one has 5 steps. Unfortunately it took a hit on the obverse...and reverse.
I dont think mine is a large S, but it's not "clear cut". It looks like it might have the large S symmetry, and is not above the window seal?

 

It's a small "s".
I can compare it to 5 other large "S"'s I just found. How rare are these?

 

Location of the small vs large mint mark seems inconsistent with the images provided?? BUT the scrutiny applied allowed me to find what appears to be an s/s (the one on the left)??

 

I just noticed the dome area has an issue. Lol

 

http://www.varietyvista.com/05 JN RPMs/RPMs 1941S.htm

 

Thanks, I searched previously and it doesnt seem to match existing?

 

I'm trying to clarify what constitutes doubling in the jefferson nickel? Because it could have doubled lettering as well?