Value of this flipholder?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by mikkomakk, Aug 3, 2019.

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What do you think it's worth?

  1. 3-5$

  2. 5-8$

  3. 9-12$

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  1. mikkomakk

    mikkomakk Member

    Hello!

    I made a flipholder a few months ago, and have been struggling ever since trying to find a value on the product that's "justified". I have gotten very good feedback on it, but I haven't gotten a reply back from the big sellers who sell collecting-equipment. So I thought I'd check around in some forums to see what people think.

    For info, it's made from PVC-free plastic with a 3d-printer, and it takes about 4 hours to print a single one. Would be x1000 faster with a mold, but I don't have the capital to invest into that.

    It can also be modified to hold anything from 1 to 30+ flips. 10 just seemed like a nice number to start on.

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    I am aware that self-promotion is not allowed on this forum, so I will not be including any links or info for buying this product.

    All I want is some honest feedback to what you think this product is really worth, and if you see it having any potential in the coin collecting community.


    Thanks!
     
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  3. Beardigger

    Beardigger Well-Known Member

    Nice idea. I would like to make a design suggestion though. I have seen that a lot of people staple their flips closed. Does your design leave room for a stapled flip? They look pretty snug in the holder.
    Also the dividers are the same size as the end pieces and they touch the coins. If you made them into a U shape, that would leave ample area free for a stapled flip to fit in, AND not have the dividers touching the coin. (Might also save money on the manufacturing ) Just My humble observations.
    It has potential IMO.
     
  4. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    Welcome to Coin Talk. Honestly, There are so many different holders on the market IMO you'd have a tough time trying to mass market a new one. Personally I feel it would be expensive to make a slotted holder for coins in a 2x2 cardboard holder. You would also need a cover. Have you checked out any coin supply dealers? Good Luck if you decide to proceed aheadwith your idea. :)
     
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  5. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

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  6. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Meow thinks they are pretty cool. If Meow had the capability, it is something Meow would have tried too. Unless the plan was to always sell it, as long as you like it you cant go wrong. Sometimes containers that are available to buy, just don't have the exact dimensions you want. So making your own is the only way to get what you want.
    So how much did it cost to make one?
    Meow used to make Meow's own acrylic boxes in the exact measurements as a item or a pawful of items needed to be. It would have been a lot cheaper time wise just to buy an ill fitting container, But the material was made from free scraps from a manufacturer. And Meow did not mind putting in the labor to get a perfect fit.
     
  7. mikkomakk

    mikkomakk Member

    That's a great suggestion. I made some modifications to the model but I'm not 100% sure what you mean. The stapled flips do have slight issues indeed when it comes down to fitting. The way I modified it now seems to sort that problem out on the other hand. Again, great suggestion!

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  8. mikkomakk

    mikkomakk Member

    Thank you! I agree with that, and it's been hard so far too. The only benefit I see is that it's solid and very good looking. So maybe I could market it as a way of showing off coins, and not storage. At this point I feel there's no replies from the dealers because they already have a product that sells and works.
     
  9. mikkomakk

    mikkomakk Member

    Yeah I've seen those.. they seem great for storing. The only difference I can find and potential benefit with my flipholder, is that it's not made of cardboard. Cardboard is made from recycled paper and quoting the wiki on it you can find:

    Mine are made from pure PLA which is PVC-free and shouldn't let out any chemicals. Obviously I'm not 100% sure and would test this in a lab before actually mass selling my product, but I'm fairly confident that with some more input, it could maybe be a better product for long-term storage of higher value coins. Or used as a display of coins, easily accessible. Or what do you think?

    I also made a modification based on a suggestion here which you can see in the comments.
     
  10. mikkomakk

    mikkomakk Member

    Thanks! It wasn't always the plan to sell it, but I got really good feedback on reddit with the first version I made so I thought I'd print some more and try to sell it :)

    The costs isn't really that high at first, only about 1$. But the issue is the time it takes to make it, which is 3-4 hours. Obviously I could shorten this down, but I feel 5$ should be the lowest it could go for. Maybe discounted if you bought several. The shipping is also an issue, as many americans are probably used to free same-day deliveries now :/ I live in Norway and shipping 1-3 from here costs 9.52$ which I think is a hard sell.

    Acrylic is really interesting and I actually looked into some for a coin display I made. Definitely a lot of cool things you can do with it!
     
  11. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    It is a neat and tidy way to display. I tend to have a half dozen coins on my office desk for daily distraction from the work grind. And this would look tidy on my desk rather than a half dozen flips strewn about. The addition of an airtight box that may hold 3-4 of these for long term storage would be a bonus. I like to store my coins as element free as I can.

    Just a thought as a marketing strategy. I doubt you will get much interest from storage box manufacturers. I think I would try to generate interest from the flip manufacturers. In fact, earlier this week there was a post about a tabbed flip. Was a neat and useful simple modification to the flips. Find someone like that who is forward thinking to partner up with.
     
  12. mikkomakk

    mikkomakk Member

    Thank you! This seems great for you then. I am printing out the modified version now to see how that fits with staples, so I'll post a picture if you want a look at that. I was also thinking it might suit the long-term storing and/or display purpose more, than the cardboard holders.

    Yeah I haven't gotten any interest so you are very right in that regard. My Hartberger flips have actually got these tabs on the ends, which are without adhesion which makes them really easy to fold together. Don't know if this is what you mean?
    And I'll definitely give them a call/mail to see what they think, thanks for that suggestion!
     
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  13. Beardigger

    Beardigger Well-Known Member


    Yep. That is exactly what I mean! Cant wait to see the finished one.
     
  14. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Fun and creative idea. I think it would sell in the $1 to $2 range but that's going to be tough to do. Any idea of what a mold would cost and what that would get the production cost down to?
     
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  15. mikkomakk

    mikkomakk Member

    Alright, posting a finished picture here! Had to redo a small error so going to take about 4-5 hours at least.
     
  16. mikkomakk

    mikkomakk Member

    Thanks! I was thinking that at first aswell, but that's not really worth the production cost. A mold would definitely make it cheaper to make, but just investing in a mold would cost 1000$+ and I would also have to sell at least 500+ units to make it back so.. might not worth it unless I get a big order from a company willing to sell them.
     
  17. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    I would be interested. Like someone else mentioned they would be good for the ones I am currently working on that are on my desk. I like that it reduces the risk of a stapled flip scratching another coin. I think it is definitely more than a $1-2 item. This would be a specialty item. Most end users would be expecting to pay more than that.
     
  18. mikkomakk

    mikkomakk Member

    Great to hear! I like the idea of it being a speciality item. I would even consider making a mold for it in that case, but I'd have to figure out a good material to make it out of. Shipping would also cost a bit more if it was heavier (3 of'em is below 300g atm), but I think this would be worth it if you were planning on buying 2-3 for your top coins.
     
  19. Charles REid

    Charles REid Active Member

    Process will determine your competitiveness. Possible for blow molding with cavities( In walls) using less material. Lower mold costs and reasonable run times are possible. Use your curent methods as prototypes and you will get to a poin to up scale..
     
  20. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Supporter! Supporter

    If you are looking into this as a display, consider putting it on a triangular base so the back coins are higher than the front. That would take up more room and more plastic, but make it possible to read the first 1/8" or so of the flip label at a glance.
     
  21. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Once you figure out the final design, I would suggest you patent your design and contact U.S. companies capable of mass manufacturing that could produce them cheaper. With mailing costs from Norway, it would be more costly than I'd be willing to pay.
     
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