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<p>[QUOTE="imrich, post: 1505375, member: 22331"]<b>Changing Grading Standards?</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I believe if one is to determine whether written technical (or other - market) standards have changed over the years, they need only to read published "A.N.A. GRADING" technical standards, available in my library.</p><p><br /></p><p>My first edition Copyright 1977 varies appreciably from the fourth edition published virtually a decade afterwards (Copyright 1987, 1991).</p><p><br /></p><p>For the Standing Liberty Quarter which was specified as an example in this thread, neither the first nor the fourth published standards have a grading standard for MS66 grade. However, they do have an MS-65 Standard, thus in first edition: No trace of wear; nearly as perfect as MS-70 except for small blemish. Has <u>full mint luster</u> but may be unevenly toned or lightly finger-marked. A few <u>barely noticeable</u> nicks or marks may be present. The fourth edition (10 years later) had interjected an MS-67 grade which was now defined as being more flawed than the MS-70, which the past MS-65 grade was "nearly as perfect" too. The MS-65 grade was now "nearly as perfect" as the new MS-67 more flawed grade. </p><p><br /></p><p>Standards have been diminished, with TPG generating standards that in my opinion, definitely diminishedly vary from the A.N.A. reduced published standards. At a point where I discerned grievous declines in GEM grading of Standing Liberty Quarters, I submitted a request thus to NGC: "I have collected numerous NGC graded coins in grades through MS67 FH, but haven't been able to locate your firms grading standards for the various "Mint State" grades. As a scientist I'm certain you must have a written standard for this process, but others say not. How can I acquire your written standards for these grades?" The response was as I surmised, there wasn't a written standard, explained thus: Thank you for your email. NGC grades coins by the Sheldon Grading scale. I'm still searching for the Sheldon GEM Standing Liberty Quarter written standard.</p><p><br /></p><p>When I stated an exception to the "Full Head" designation earlier in this thread, it wasn't a criticism of CAC who basicly certified that this was one of the best that could be found graded at this level by a TPG without consistent (much less written) grading standards. I would expect a "full head" coin to be closer to this specimen: <a href="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1128&lotNo=1108#48764876285" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1128&lotNo=1108#48764876285" rel="nofollow">http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1128&lotNo=1108#48764876285</a></p><p>This referenced specimen doesn't quite meet the published standard, thus: The leaves in hair are <u>well defined</u>; hairline along brow and across face <u>is complete</u>, small indentation at ear is visible. Cheek is rounded.</p><p><br /></p><p>I personally believe that CAC provides a positive service in a field of collectibles without consistent standards. </p><p><br /></p><p>Although I've spent many years studying this unique design which has evaded consistent production capability, know the published standards, and the varying TPG standards, I use the CAC symbol as a guide to locate higher quality coins, and pay the premium when I concur.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just the observations of an "old fool". :thumb:[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="imrich, post: 1505375, member: 22331"][b]Changing Grading Standards?[/b] I believe if one is to determine whether written technical (or other - market) standards have changed over the years, they need only to read published "A.N.A. GRADING" technical standards, available in my library. My first edition Copyright 1977 varies appreciably from the fourth edition published virtually a decade afterwards (Copyright 1987, 1991). For the Standing Liberty Quarter which was specified as an example in this thread, neither the first nor the fourth published standards have a grading standard for MS66 grade. However, they do have an MS-65 Standard, thus in first edition: No trace of wear; nearly as perfect as MS-70 except for small blemish. Has [U]full mint luster[/U] but may be unevenly toned or lightly finger-marked. A few [U]barely noticeable[/U] nicks or marks may be present. The fourth edition (10 years later) had interjected an MS-67 grade which was now defined as being more flawed than the MS-70, which the past MS-65 grade was "nearly as perfect" too. The MS-65 grade was now "nearly as perfect" as the new MS-67 more flawed grade. Standards have been diminished, with TPG generating standards that in my opinion, definitely diminishedly vary from the A.N.A. reduced published standards. At a point where I discerned grievous declines in GEM grading of Standing Liberty Quarters, I submitted a request thus to NGC: "I have collected numerous NGC graded coins in grades through MS67 FH, but haven't been able to locate your firms grading standards for the various "Mint State" grades. As a scientist I'm certain you must have a written standard for this process, but others say not. How can I acquire your written standards for these grades?" The response was as I surmised, there wasn't a written standard, explained thus: Thank you for your email. NGC grades coins by the Sheldon Grading scale. I'm still searching for the Sheldon GEM Standing Liberty Quarter written standard. When I stated an exception to the "Full Head" designation earlier in this thread, it wasn't a criticism of CAC who basicly certified that this was one of the best that could be found graded at this level by a TPG without consistent (much less written) grading standards. I would expect a "full head" coin to be closer to this specimen: [URL]http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1128&lotNo=1108#48764876285[/URL] This referenced specimen doesn't quite meet the published standard, thus: The leaves in hair are [U]well defined[/U]; hairline along brow and across face [U]is complete[/U], small indentation at ear is visible. Cheek is rounded. I personally believe that CAC provides a positive service in a field of collectibles without consistent standards. Although I've spent many years studying this unique design which has evaded consistent production capability, know the published standards, and the varying TPG standards, I use the CAC symbol as a guide to locate higher quality coins, and pay the premium when I concur. Just the observations of an "old fool". :thumb:[/QUOTE]
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