Use of the term 'Medal-coin'.

No amazon doesnt have the 2008 and it wasnt dopeuser asking for the book it was me

 

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The 2008 Krause doesn't come out until either August or September.

Aidan.

 

And then there are all these NCLT things which are are the same time both and neither but an "unholy" hybid of the two. )

 

Here's an article about the 2 medal-coins from Bophuthatswana,which used to be listed in the 20th. Century Krause,but are now listed in Krause's Unusual World Coins catalogue; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coins_of_Bophuthatswana .

Aidan.

 

Aidan, how does one spend a medal coin and what kind of change would one receive if a medal-coin were used. Where would the proprietor deposit the medal-coin at his bank and would the tellers recognize the medal-coin and be aware of the additional worth associated with these mysterious medal-coins? Are you sure it's not just a figment of your imagination, this Medal-Coin???

Ben

 

Ben,while a medal-coin is regarded as being legal tender,it is not intended for use in commerce.For example,you cannot just go into a shop in Canada & spend a silver or gold Maple Leaf,or go into a shop in South Africa & spend a gold or silver Krugerrand.

The intrinsic value often outweighs the face value,& besides,they're offered to collectors at a price massively over the face value.

Aidan.

 

Ah, a Commemorative Coin...

 

Ben,medal-coins aren't always commemorative issues.The Krugerrand & Maple Leaves are regular medal-coin issues traded based on their bullion values.

Aidan.

 

Don't think that every piece that Aidan considers to be a "medal-coin" is a commemorative. But discussing this is kind of pointless. See http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=24690

Christian

 

the other pieces he refers to are usually considered by others as just "bullion".

 

Kinda short, isn't it?

 

Christian,not every commemorative coin is a medal-coin,as you can find them in your change at face value.The Treaty of Rome commemorative coins can be found in your change,as it is only costing you 2 Euros to get.

There is an old thread called 'Definition of what is a coin'.That will explain the differences between a coin & a medal-coin.

Aidan.

 

Sigh.

Christian

 

OK... so besides you and the wikipedia article you wrote yourself, your only sources for this term is a single collector plus a 26 year old catalog, of which later versions no longer use the term? Doesn't sound like support for the idea that is a generally accepted term by very many people. I can name many more well-known numismatist, catalogs, and supported sources that DON'T use the term than those that do without even trying very hard.

It's an oxymoron anyway, because if something is a coin, then it is not a medal, and vice-versa. If you're trying to apply the term to coins that are not intended to, and do not, circulate at their face value, there's already terms in common general use to cover those (NCLT, commemoratives, bullion, etc.) I don't get the insistence on using a term that's self-contradictory, misleading, and is not in general use by many in the numismatic community as a whole, and by nobody but you on this forum (not trying to get personal here, but think about it, who else but you on this boards insists on using the term?). I see it's pointless arguing about it, so won't bother anymore, but seriously, just at least consider why the use of this term spawns arguments and think whether it's worth it, when already existing terms that are in common use and most people understand can serve the exact same purpose and convey the exact same meaning (if not more, since they are more precise and less open to interpretation). Just think about it OK? Is it really worth it?

That is all, I'll try to ignore the use of the term as best as I can, unless you or someone else insists on correcting somebody using a different one to describe what you call "medal-coins." Would be nice if you could meet the people annoyed by the term half-way though.

 

Troodon,the term 'N.C.L.T.' is actually not in common use by the numismatic community in New Zealand,whereas,'medal-coin' is.As for you suggesting that you could spend the $5 medal-coin,that is silly,as a shopkeeper wouldn't even recognise what it is.The same thing applies to the silver,gold,& platinum Maple Leaves.

Aidan.

 

Who cares about what he calls something? SO what if he wrote that wiki article, he can call it whatever he wants to. JUst becuase he uses a term that some people don't like you get mad?

 

and for the record.. i had seen Aidan use that term often.. it always confused me to no end.. it wasnt until Doug mentioned in a post how wrong it was and what the correct term was did i know better... its not right for Aidan to use his own made up word when all it does is do a (albiet mini) injustice to those of use who are willing to shed the knowledge that we might have held for years that is wrong, and learn the way it is supposed to be. There is ALOT i have learned on since joining this forum!!! ALOT!!! and there is alot i thought i knew until i had some really smart folks on this forum show me the correct way ... most of us are willing to accept we were WRONG and learn and move on... others like Aidan are just a wee-bit stubborn and doesnt want to learn. .. thats ok for him.. but not for others like me who have a very tough time deciphering his made up words ....

 

Well, it doesn't bother me what he calls them, it's a free world. He can call them dumaflaches, whizz-bangs, quacking chickens, or medal-coins, I just don't care. I now know what he and everyone else talking about. Just relax everyone, it's not worth getting angry over...:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: