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<p>[QUOTE="heineken, post: 1493084, member: 38909"]Tom B, WOW GREAT INFO!!! thank you. I checked out the cert number and it checks out, the description matches too. No previous auctions to check image, but I am confident its legit. The reason the bust, seated, trade and 8 reales looks like they have manipulated surfaces is because they do!! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Like I said before, they are problem coins, and I got them for deep discounts. The bust dollar was polished/cleaned/dipped. The trade dollar was cleaned and later fake toned in bleach. The seated liberty looks like it was most likely polished at some point. The eight reales has significant rim damage, but I did find the overlap that they are supposed to have, and it as well looks like it was fake toned, or the toning was accelerated by some process.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Pratt3, I agree, I hate how they dont grade it! I would think it is at least fine though. You can stick to your guns, but i am sticking to mine too, I am confident in it. Unless you can tell me a definitive reason, or point out something specific to prove its a fake, then I don't have a reason to think otherwise. The slab does not have any of the warning signs of fake slabs, the cert number checks out and I trust the dealer I got it from. Again, the reason it looks like the surfaces are not original is because it was polished/dipped and re-toned. Ya it sucks, and ya I wish i had a totally original coin, but i dont have the cash to spend on one, and then i would be to scared to hold it in my hands. Come on man, do you know how fun it is to do a coin toss using a bust dollar <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Or even just to hold it and know the history behind it or to wonder how many people in the past settled a bet by flipping it? Its not perfect, and its been improperly messed with, but I love the look of it and it has plenty of details.</p><p><br /></p><p>I am also a gun and military collector, which is my true collecting passion, and to me my bust dollar coin is like a situation I run into with guns sometimes. Here is an example - A totally original 1941 6 digit serial number Garand with original barrel, stock with cartouche, all matching parts is FRICKEN SWEET, but your never going to actually shoot it because of the rarity and value. So instead I went with a 6 digit serial number Garand that was heavily used in battle and had a shot out barrel. I refinished it, reparkerized it, put a new barrel and stock on it. Basically took it back to issue condition. Now I have a Garand with AWESOME history, but that is also a great shooter as well. I use it in competitions, and love the distict TING sound it makes when it spits out the clip after the last round <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I made a promise to myself to never own a gun I wasnt willing to shoot. I cant take anything with me when I die, so you can be darn sure I want to hold stuff in my hands and get use and enjoyment out of it while i am here <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I am glad that I am getting better feedback now, even though I am sure there will be skeptics. But I do appreciate all the good knowledge and comment guys, thanks to all!![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="heineken, post: 1493084, member: 38909"]Tom B, WOW GREAT INFO!!! thank you. I checked out the cert number and it checks out, the description matches too. No previous auctions to check image, but I am confident its legit. The reason the bust, seated, trade and 8 reales looks like they have manipulated surfaces is because they do!! :) Like I said before, they are problem coins, and I got them for deep discounts. The bust dollar was polished/cleaned/dipped. The trade dollar was cleaned and later fake toned in bleach. The seated liberty looks like it was most likely polished at some point. The eight reales has significant rim damage, but I did find the overlap that they are supposed to have, and it as well looks like it was fake toned, or the toning was accelerated by some process. Pratt3, I agree, I hate how they dont grade it! I would think it is at least fine though. You can stick to your guns, but i am sticking to mine too, I am confident in it. Unless you can tell me a definitive reason, or point out something specific to prove its a fake, then I don't have a reason to think otherwise. The slab does not have any of the warning signs of fake slabs, the cert number checks out and I trust the dealer I got it from. Again, the reason it looks like the surfaces are not original is because it was polished/dipped and re-toned. Ya it sucks, and ya I wish i had a totally original coin, but i dont have the cash to spend on one, and then i would be to scared to hold it in my hands. Come on man, do you know how fun it is to do a coin toss using a bust dollar :) Or even just to hold it and know the history behind it or to wonder how many people in the past settled a bet by flipping it? Its not perfect, and its been improperly messed with, but I love the look of it and it has plenty of details. I am also a gun and military collector, which is my true collecting passion, and to me my bust dollar coin is like a situation I run into with guns sometimes. Here is an example - A totally original 1941 6 digit serial number Garand with original barrel, stock with cartouche, all matching parts is FRICKEN SWEET, but your never going to actually shoot it because of the rarity and value. So instead I went with a 6 digit serial number Garand that was heavily used in battle and had a shot out barrel. I refinished it, reparkerized it, put a new barrel and stock on it. Basically took it back to issue condition. Now I have a Garand with AWESOME history, but that is also a great shooter as well. I use it in competitions, and love the distict TING sound it makes when it spits out the clip after the last round :) I made a promise to myself to never own a gun I wasnt willing to shoot. I cant take anything with me when I die, so you can be darn sure I want to hold stuff in my hands and get use and enjoyment out of it while i am here :) I am glad that I am getting better feedback now, even though I am sure there will be skeptics. But I do appreciate all the good knowledge and comment guys, thanks to all!![/QUOTE]
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