US quarter unknown date

There are many examples of indents and partial brockages where the coin is struck fully within the collar. This is especially true of older coins.

 

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Read my post where I say the coin is indeed an indented strike, Read Conder101's posts as his posts lays out correct details. Then read Mike's post where he confirms what the coin is and explains further. Many of us know exactly what we are looking at when we identify an error. Why make it so complicated?

Thanks,
Bill

 

Here are several coins with indent errors. You'll notice that they all have one thing in common. The design on the hammer die is NOT transferred to the error coin. The thickness of the overlaying planchet is too thick to allow any design transfer.



Now, here's the OP's quarter You'll notice that the design from the hammer die (Washington's chin and neck. Also part of the date (looks like 79)) has been transferred through whatever was overlaying the planchet in the striking chamber. Whatever it was was thin enough to allow the design to be transfered through it by the hammer die. Since a design can not be transferred through a planchet, it follows that something other than a planchet got between the coin and the hammer die.

It's a Strike Through

Q.E.D.

 

David,

Look at the Jefferson in your last post. You can see the back of Jefferson's head in the indent area and you can clearly make out the word LIBERTY and you can see the date but I can't tell for sure what it is. So the image from the blocked obverse die CAN sometimes show through. It's an indent, just as the Jefferson is.

 

David H,

You are simply incorrect. When a portion of a planchet gets between the hammer die and a coin being struck, the pressure of the strike flattens the overlapped metal into a flat tongue. The thickness of that misshapen tongue will dictate how much of the detail will show through.

That's why we see details on a capped die strike.

Also. it is important not to assume that the offending piece of metal is a planchet or a previously struck coin. It can be a thin piece of scrap metal that gets between the hammer die and a coin being struck. This would still be an indent. The scrap metal could be thin enough to allow detail to show.

Thanks,
Bill

 

The Jefferson apparently was fully struck but then not ejected from the press before the next planchet came in. The hammer die then struck the planchet on top of the previously struck nickel and partially tilted the nickel out of the collar producing the raised and doubled edge seen opposite the blank area, while at the same time obliterating the majority of the previously struck design. This second striking of the pair did not leave any second impression on the originally struck coin.

It's like if this dime was struck on top of a dime still in the collar. The portion of the already struck dime covered by the illustrated error would have been flattened out with its details almost obliterated.

 

Unfortunately, that's all fiction.

 

When a planchet overlaps an already struck coin the overlapping planchet receives a normal strike on one side and a partial brockage strike on the other side. The underlying coin will show the indent and a very SLIGHT blurring of the details because the work hardened metal of the struck coin is harder than the annealed metal of the overlying planchet.

 

Well, not always.

 

Davidh, you haven't produced pictures of ANY double struck coins with an indent or strike-through on the second strike.

 

Mike:
Sorry, but he didn't say anything about a double strike.
Or an I missing something?
Perhaps a prior posting?

 

That's what Condor101 is talking about.

 

Ah, got it.
Thanks, as usual, Mike.

Frank

 

I'm not talking about double strikes, I'm talking about the OP's coin.

What I am showing here is that when a planchet overlays a planchet in the collar and the pair are struck, there is NO transfer of the hammer die image onto the underlaying planchet of the pair.

This is to refute the notion that the OP's coin was struck in that way, as has been suggested here, but which I assert was struck through something thinner as is shown here, allowing the hammer die's image to strike through

 

You use the word NO, implying it doesn't happen. What needs to be understood is that the pressure involved with the strike and the shape and thickness of the "tongue" of metal that gets between the planchet and the coin during the strike dictates how much detail will transfer through to the coin being struck.

Your basing your analysis on a faulty premise.

Thanks,
Bill

 

Except neither of those is the case of a planchet overlapping a previously struck coin and then the coin being struck again. They are both a planchet overlapping another planchet and then being struck.

Again I refer back to the Jefferson nickel you posted which DID show design transfer through the indent and which is NOT a case of a previously struck coin receiving a second strike through an overlapping planchet.

 

The whole discussion involves what is the correct terminology for the op's coin and it's an indent. So mulder opps ,I mean DavidH what is wrong with you, take it as is the odds are against you there are four individuals that are saying this is an indent and that;s the correct terminology ,and Mike ,Condor ,and foundinrolls, happen to be very knowlegable on this subject.



In the error world this coin is classified as an indent and that;s it. May I asked you why you keep elaborating on this ?

Here's the Jefferson nickle indent you could see the Y in liberty clear as day You can also see the words liberty plain as day if you look hard at the Jefferson nickle indent or a strike through ? indent indent

Jazzcoins Joe

 

duplicate post

 

For the same reason you keep "elaborating" (expounding would be a better choice of words) on UFOs. When one thinks that one could be right, that's what one does, regardless of what the "experts" think or say.

BTW, check your PM

 

I don't think so this is much more obvious that it's an indent ,then my ufo coin is ,or isn't a UFO on my coin ,and not when the majority rules your classification,and terminology absolutly wrong about the quarter indent

Peace David and have a happy New year

Jazzcoins Joe UFO