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<p>[QUOTE="krispy, post: 1467074, member: 19065"]I think you missed my point about following the sales figures. That is not the same thing as mintage. Accurate information only comes long after the coins are no longer for sale direct from the Mint and the Mint publishes the final figures, until then the numbers can and do fluctuate significantly. More information during the current year of minting and sales will only compound your confusion. Of course, I said, mintage is part of collecting, determining rarity and so on, but placing a counter as a marketing gimmick to sell slow movers isn't producing rarities, it's producing profits for the Mint and all those mysteries to collectors about what's going are, why some things are pulled and others discontinued, has a lot more to do with marketing, and what we should try to extract standing between us and the Mint than supposed mintage figures based on sales reports that are anything but final. </p><p><br /></p><p>Once again, as I said above, at some point chasing numbers is less about the coins and the hobby than it is about some other obsessive thing some collectors do while waiting for the next product to roll out. </p><p><br /></p><p>The slow moving ATB 5 oz. series has more problems due to incredibly poor marketing strategy (occurring right as the Mint Director exited stage left for the corporate world) and wholly inexcusable accessibility to buying the coins once they were finally allowed to be sold, leaving open the door for hype and greed which stirred collectors into wanting something that many quickly realized they didn't have the budgets to maintain a collection of all these new 5 oz. coins. Something which would require people to put out some $20k over the course of the series just to collect them all. </p><p><br /></p><p>Why put a sales odometer on something just to imply it's limited? That's a gimmick to make some customers feel a given product is about to run out and that they must have it! While others will see a static number and ignore making the purchase, thinking it's not popular enough to buy. We can already do these things by following sales figures in the current way they get reported. </p><p><br /></p><p>Collector behavior is what is transparent and that's why the U.S. Mint is so successful at turning a profit on collectors of it's products. <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="krispy, post: 1467074, member: 19065"]I think you missed my point about following the sales figures. That is not the same thing as mintage. Accurate information only comes long after the coins are no longer for sale direct from the Mint and the Mint publishes the final figures, until then the numbers can and do fluctuate significantly. More information during the current year of minting and sales will only compound your confusion. Of course, I said, mintage is part of collecting, determining rarity and so on, but placing a counter as a marketing gimmick to sell slow movers isn't producing rarities, it's producing profits for the Mint and all those mysteries to collectors about what's going are, why some things are pulled and others discontinued, has a lot more to do with marketing, and what we should try to extract standing between us and the Mint than supposed mintage figures based on sales reports that are anything but final. Once again, as I said above, at some point chasing numbers is less about the coins and the hobby than it is about some other obsessive thing some collectors do while waiting for the next product to roll out. The slow moving ATB 5 oz. series has more problems due to incredibly poor marketing strategy (occurring right as the Mint Director exited stage left for the corporate world) and wholly inexcusable accessibility to buying the coins once they were finally allowed to be sold, leaving open the door for hype and greed which stirred collectors into wanting something that many quickly realized they didn't have the budgets to maintain a collection of all these new 5 oz. coins. Something which would require people to put out some $20k over the course of the series just to collect them all. Why put a sales odometer on something just to imply it's limited? That's a gimmick to make some customers feel a given product is about to run out and that they must have it! While others will see a static number and ignore making the purchase, thinking it's not popular enough to buy. We can already do these things by following sales figures in the current way they get reported. Collector behavior is what is transparent and that's why the U.S. Mint is so successful at turning a profit on collectors of it's products. [LEFT][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/LEFT][/QUOTE]
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