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Message:: [QUOTE="Hobo, post: 1212073, member: 11521"]No problem. We are not born with this knowledge. Sometimes you have to read between the lines. And sometimes you have to back up and look at the big picture instead of focusing on minute details. In this case the big picture to me was the fact the coin has an obverse design that did not exist until 1837 meaning the host coin could not have been struck before 1837. That means the host coin could not have been dated 1805. (Take a look at Liberty - and, like swish pointed out above - I mean the female figure that represents Liberty - on this coin and compare it to a genuine 1805 Large Cent. Liberty on this coin looks nothing like Liberty on an 1805 Large Cent.) Hang around here and pay attention and before long this will become second nature for you. And remember this - a little knowledge can be dangerous. This is especially true in numismatics. An answer for one situation may be completely wrong in another situation. Numismatics is fairly complex but over time you will learn the important stuff - by reading, by listening, by asking questions. Take your time to learn these things. You are not going to become an expert in a month or two. Many collectors (if not most) spend many years acquiring their numismatic knowledge. I am still working on my numismatic education. That is why I am attending ANA Summer Seminar this week and next week.[/QUOTE]