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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;ARguy, post: 1046096, member: 16047&quot;]CheetahCats,</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The piece I was referring to is a muling (not an overstrike) of a copper counterfeit 24 skillings &quot;ship&quot; reverse with the Georgius Triumpho obverse. Mike Ringo and Syd Martin co-authored a CNL article about it called &quot;Discovery of a New U S Colonial Coin Type&quot;, published in August 2002, starting on sequential page 2361. Apologies for not mentioning Syd in my previous post. Ringo&#039;s specimen was sold as lot #534 in the 8th C4 auction, 2002. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>In his encyclopedia, Breen alluded to a NJ 73-aa being overstruck on a Georgius Triumpho, but, as I recall, couldn&#039;t trace it. However, Dennis Wierzba did discover an example and publsihed an article about it &quot;A Georgius Triumpho as the Undertype of a NJ 73-aa&quot; in the C4 Newsletter (Vol 7, #2, Summer 1999, pp.14-20.) As far as I know, that attribution still stands and establishes ca. 1790 as the latest period for at least the first GT&#039;s to have been made. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I have seen 1780&#039;s Irish halfpence that closely resemble GT&#039;s, but I have seen one particular 1776 Irish counterfeit that was a dead ringer for its head, in every detail. It was sold on eBay a few years ago. i bid what I thought was a reasonable price, but it went MUCH higher -- around $250 as I recall -- at a time when counterfeits were still very cheap. So, evidently, someone else recognized the similarity.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>If you&#039;ll recall Mr. Vlack suggested initial West Indian circulation, then GA and FL, for the GT&#039;s in his 1960&#039;s Early American Coins. A few years ago, I asked him if he recalled what led him to that conclusion. At that time, he could not recall the specific evidence that he had used.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>All in all, I&#039;m confident that the GT&#039;s originated in the 1780&#039;s, whether the 1783 date is actual or commemorative. That&#039;s in the period of interest or darned close to it.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Finally, attached is a pic of a GT from my collection - the more common die state, with the reverse crack.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Best,</p><p>ARguy</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>[ATTACH]102683.vB[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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