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<p>[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 24778104, member: 75937"]Wow!! Thank you, [USER=149688]@captnCoin[/USER] , for posting that coin on this thread!! It is a very interesting development indeed!</p><p><br /></p><p>That's an interesting find and you seem to have come across the 5th known example. At 26 mm and 12.9 g, that is indeed a medium bronze. I have taken your photos and processed them the best I could, given their limitations.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1585302[/ATTACH]</p><p>In answer to your questions, I watch the auction market closely and I have not seen another specimen appear since I posted this thread nearly four years ago.</p><p><br /></p><p>Since I posted, however, I have been able to get a photo of the specimen in the Bibliotheque nationale de France.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1585303[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Specimen in the BnF, Paris (Cohen 187). Photo in Gauthier-Dussart, Roxane, et al. "Entre Rome et Alexandrie: Le Monnayage d'antonin Le Pieux (138-161), Idéologie Du Règne et Adaptations Locales." <i>l'Université de Montréal</i>, 2017, Plate 92, no. 1531.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have learned the fate of the coin from Münzhandlung Basel (Auction 1), June 28,1934, pl. 29, 1171, shown as a plaster cast in the OP. It ended up in the Yale University Art Gallery. <a href="https://artgallery.yale.edu/collections/objects/125332" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://artgallery.yale.edu/collections/objects/125332" rel="nofollow">Here is the specimen</a>. It has quite a provenance: Evans, Lawrence, von Koblitz, and Dr. Hans Steger, to 1933; Cahn, Frankfurt, Feburary 27, 1933, cat. 80, lot 740; Erzherzog Friedrich; Munzhandlung Basel, Basel, June 27, 1934, cat. 1, lot 1171; Walter Niggeler, to 1967; Bank Leu–Munzen and Medaillen (?), and ultimately to Yale University, 2009.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_10/FaustinaSrCONSECRATIOSCfuneralpyredupondiusYaleUniversity.jpg.ae408f49d5e9a98d57cd9ff6d5563002.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_10/FaustinaSrCONSECRATIOSCfuneralpyredupondiusYaleUniversity.jpg.ae408f49d5e9a98d57cd9ff6d5563002.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_10/FaustinaSrCONSECRATIOSCfuneralpyredupondiusYaleUniversity.jpg.ae408f49d5e9a98d57cd9ff6d5563002.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p><br /></p><p>I still have not been able to find a photo of the one in the Museo Archeologico Nazionale di Napoli, which was also cited by Strack.</p><p><br /></p><p>And here's mine again for comparison.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1585305[/ATTACH]</p><p>Of course, none of them have been sent to third party grading services. Three are in museums (BnF, Naples, Yale) and one is in my collection. Museums don't slab the coins in their collections. With ancients, third party grading services will not grade an obvious fake, of course, but they do not guaranty authenticity. They only offer a grade. I don't need that service, either. I would grade mine as "Not as nice as the Yale specimen; A bit more worn than but with nicer surfaces and more eye-appeal than the Paris (BnF) specimen."</p><p><br /></p><p>All of the known examples of which there are photographs -- including yours -- were struck with the same reverse die.</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe that mine and the Yale specimen are also obverse die matches. The BnF coin and your specimen are not of a sufficient state of preservation to say whether they match the dies of the other specimens.</p><p><br /></p><p>The fact that the coin is quite rare and all known examples of the handful that are left were struck with the same reverse die indicates a small production run of these coins, perhaps using only a single die-pair. The alternative explanation, that all four coins came from the same hoard, is extremely unlikely, given the differences in wear and patination.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you are interested in reading more about the dating, purpose, and iconography of the issue, see <a href="https://www.numisforums.com/topic/460-faustina-friday-%E2%80%93-the-ustrinum-of-faustina-the-elder/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.numisforums.com/topic/460-faustina-friday-%E2%80%93-the-ustrinum-of-faustina-the-elder/" rel="nofollow">my article at NVMIS FORVMS</a>, which you are welcome to join.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 24778104, member: 75937"]Wow!! Thank you, [USER=149688]@captnCoin[/USER] , for posting that coin on this thread!! It is a very interesting development indeed! That's an interesting find and you seem to have come across the 5th known example. At 26 mm and 12.9 g, that is indeed a medium bronze. I have taken your photos and processed them the best I could, given their limitations. [ATTACH=full]1585302[/ATTACH] In answer to your questions, I watch the auction market closely and I have not seen another specimen appear since I posted this thread nearly four years ago. Since I posted, however, I have been able to get a photo of the specimen in the Bibliotheque nationale de France. [ATTACH=full]1585303[/ATTACH] Specimen in the BnF, Paris (Cohen 187). Photo in Gauthier-Dussart, Roxane, et al. "Entre Rome et Alexandrie: Le Monnayage d'antonin Le Pieux (138-161), Idéologie Du Règne et Adaptations Locales." [I]l'Université de Montréal[/I], 2017, Plate 92, no. 1531. I have learned the fate of the coin from Münzhandlung Basel (Auction 1), June 28,1934, pl. 29, 1171, shown as a plaster cast in the OP. It ended up in the Yale University Art Gallery. [URL='https://artgallery.yale.edu/collections/objects/125332']Here is the specimen[/URL]. It has quite a provenance: Evans, Lawrence, von Koblitz, and Dr. Hans Steger, to 1933; Cahn, Frankfurt, Feburary 27, 1933, cat. 80, lot 740; Erzherzog Friedrich; Munzhandlung Basel, Basel, June 27, 1934, cat. 1, lot 1171; Walter Niggeler, to 1967; Bank Leu–Munzen and Medaillen (?), and ultimately to Yale University, 2009. [URL='https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_10/FaustinaSrCONSECRATIOSCfuneralpyredupondiusYaleUniversity.jpg.ae408f49d5e9a98d57cd9ff6d5563002.jpg'][IMG]https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_10/FaustinaSrCONSECRATIOSCfuneralpyredupondiusYaleUniversity.jpg.ae408f49d5e9a98d57cd9ff6d5563002.jpg[/IMG][/URL] I still have not been able to find a photo of the one in the Museo Archeologico Nazionale di Napoli, which was also cited by Strack. And here's mine again for comparison. [ATTACH=full]1585305[/ATTACH] Of course, none of them have been sent to third party grading services. Three are in museums (BnF, Naples, Yale) and one is in my collection. Museums don't slab the coins in their collections. With ancients, third party grading services will not grade an obvious fake, of course, but they do not guaranty authenticity. They only offer a grade. I don't need that service, either. I would grade mine as "Not as nice as the Yale specimen; A bit more worn than but with nicer surfaces and more eye-appeal than the Paris (BnF) specimen." All of the known examples of which there are photographs -- including yours -- were struck with the same reverse die. I believe that mine and the Yale specimen are also obverse die matches. The BnF coin and your specimen are not of a sufficient state of preservation to say whether they match the dies of the other specimens. The fact that the coin is quite rare and all known examples of the handful that are left were struck with the same reverse die indicates a small production run of these coins, perhaps using only a single die-pair. The alternative explanation, that all four coins came from the same hoard, is extremely unlikely, given the differences in wear and patination. If you are interested in reading more about the dating, purpose, and iconography of the issue, see [URL='https://www.numisforums.com/topic/460-faustina-friday-%E2%80%93-the-ustrinum-of-faustina-the-elder/']my article at NVMIS FORVMS[/URL], which you are welcome to join.[/QUOTE]
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