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<p>[QUOTE="Valentinian, post: 3421300, member: 44316"]Metcalf (D. M., not William E.) proposed the existence of Class A3 in </p><p><br /></p><p><font size="4">Metcalf, D. M. "Interpretation of the Byzantine <i>Rex Regnantium</i> folles of Class A" in <i>Numismatic Chronicle</i> 1970, pages 199-219 </font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">and reconsidered the criterion, dates, and frequency in</font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p>Metcalf, D. M. <i>Coinage in South-Eastern Europe, 820-1396</i>. HC. RNS. 1979. Pages 55-62 discuss Class A folles and which varieties are his Class A3.</p><p><br /></p><p>He states [NC, page 203] that, "The average weight, or what it is worth, of the Class A1 folles is about 7 grams." Then he goes on to say the weight for Class A2 was "doubled" and then reduced to about "2/3" for Class A3. </p><p><br /></p><p>However, inspection of weights (e.g. in DO or BN) shows no such clear distinction. Anyone who has a few of these (or looks at DO or BN) knows the weights vary greatly and do not cluster around two particular values. I just cracked open DO 3.2 to a relevant page and the first variety I found was "variety 5" and the weights are 16.23, 15.64, 14.03, 12.46, 12.07, and 10.28. That is within one ornament variety! Don't tell us the heavy ones are A2 and the lighter ones A3. They are the same ornament variety!</p><p><br /></p><p>So, I assert again that there are Class A2 coins of various sizes and weights, nearly on a continuum. If one want to say 15 grams makes A2 and 10 or less makes A3, I suppose we could, but where would (should) the dividing line be drawn? </p><p><br /></p><p>I wonder why David supported "A3". It must be the "10.48 grams" weight which is lighter than some. My example, from the same variety and highly likely from the same hoard and very similar in most regards, is 11.70 grams. Not so light. </p><p><br /></p><p>There is a big difference between A1 and A2. (See the web site.) The difference is worthy of making the distinction. I don't see that variation in sizes of "A2" is worthy of a comparable distinction. It doesn't seem there was a particular occasion or date when anyone said "We are going to reduce the weight to 2/3."</p><p><br /></p><p>Without some criterion for making the distinction between A2 and A3, perhaps it should not be made at all. "Class A2" serves.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Valentinian, post: 3421300, member: 44316"]Metcalf (D. M., not William E.) proposed the existence of Class A3 in [SIZE=4]Metcalf, D. M. "Interpretation of the Byzantine [I]Rex Regnantium[/I] folles of Class A" in [I]Numismatic Chronicle[/I] 1970, pages 199-219 and reconsidered the criterion, dates, and frequency in [/SIZE] Metcalf, D. M. [I]Coinage in South-Eastern Europe, 820-1396[/I]. HC. RNS. 1979. Pages 55-62 discuss Class A folles and which varieties are his Class A3. He states [NC, page 203] that, "The average weight, or what it is worth, of the Class A1 folles is about 7 grams." Then he goes on to say the weight for Class A2 was "doubled" and then reduced to about "2/3" for Class A3. However, inspection of weights (e.g. in DO or BN) shows no such clear distinction. Anyone who has a few of these (or looks at DO or BN) knows the weights vary greatly and do not cluster around two particular values. I just cracked open DO 3.2 to a relevant page and the first variety I found was "variety 5" and the weights are 16.23, 15.64, 14.03, 12.46, 12.07, and 10.28. That is within one ornament variety! Don't tell us the heavy ones are A2 and the lighter ones A3. They are the same ornament variety! So, I assert again that there are Class A2 coins of various sizes and weights, nearly on a continuum. If one want to say 15 grams makes A2 and 10 or less makes A3, I suppose we could, but where would (should) the dividing line be drawn? I wonder why David supported "A3". It must be the "10.48 grams" weight which is lighter than some. My example, from the same variety and highly likely from the same hoard and very similar in most regards, is 11.70 grams. Not so light. There is a big difference between A1 and A2. (See the web site.) The difference is worthy of making the distinction. I don't see that variation in sizes of "A2" is worthy of a comparable distinction. It doesn't seem there was a particular occasion or date when anyone said "We are going to reduce the weight to 2/3." Without some criterion for making the distinction between A2 and A3, perhaps it should not be made at all. "Class A2" serves.[/QUOTE]
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