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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Troodon, post: 214662, member: 4626&quot;]Well you might have some arguable cases there, but my point was about states that are not recognized by <i>anyone</i>.&nbsp; No state officially recognizes the Hutt River Province for example.&nbsp; I usually use UN recognition as a standard, or at least recognition by the former parent state.&nbsp; Not always a sufficent standard, but even among state not recognized by the UN, there exists at least some recognition of the state by some other state or entity independent of the state in question.</p><p><br /></p><p>China vs. Taiwan isn&#039;t a case of which state or the other is recognized, more of which government is considered to be the recognized government of the state in question.&nbsp; If that recognition is ever withdrawn it doesn&#039;t change the staus of coins minted before then.&nbsp; (Of course the UN standard doesn&#039;t really work to coins minted before the UN existed...)&nbsp; Still, Taiwanese coins and currency have a leagal tender status in Taiwan, and Taiwan is a recognized state in a way, just not recognized as a state indpendent of China (in much the same way Wales is a recognized state, though not one independent of the United Kingdom.)</p><p><br /></p><p>You may be interested to note that the company that minted and marketed coins in the United States was sued by the Postal Service on the grounds of mail fraud.&nbsp; The USPS&#039;s contention was that since the Hutt River Province was not a recgonized state, what they sold couldn&#039;t really be called coins, and marketing them as such constituted mail fraud.&nbsp; Result of the case ended with the company no longer allowed to market HRP &quot;coins&quot; as coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway don&#039;t want to start a debate about what does or does not constitute a recognized state... recognition can be arguable sometimes... but the point of this thread and what I was referring to was about states not recognized by anyone but themselves.&nbsp; Depending on how strict your definiton of &quot;coin&quot; is, what such states produce may or may not be considered coins.&nbsp; I doubt any of you would consider any round piece of medal I stamp with &quot;1 Troodonian dollar&quot; as a coin... and my state of Troodonia has exactly as much legal status as a state as does Hutt River Province, Sealand, etc.&nbsp; My country doesn&#039;t even has as much claim to statehood as Taiwan does, and neither do any of this places this club covers... and thus I don&#039;t consider any of what they produce coins.&nbsp; Medals sure, or at best you can even arguably call them tokens, but coins, no.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That&#039;s the standard I go by anyway.&nbsp; Commemoratives or bullion, that are technically legal tender but not intended to circulate at their face value, are kind of a grey area though.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Um, I think you&#039;re confusing &quot;UN recognition&quot; with &quot;UN membership.&quot;&nbsp; They&#039;re not the same thing.&nbsp; A country can be recognized by the UN without being a member, which before 2002 was the case for Switzerland.&nbsp; (However, the reverse can not be true; a country can not be a UN member if they are not recognized by the UN.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Another example is Nauru... they&#039;ve been recognized as an independent country by the UN since 1968, but did not join the UN until 1999.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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