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<p>[QUOTE="seth77, post: 6957940, member: 56653"]I've never seen this tornese and any connections to the trachea showed in OP from DOC should take into account that DOC 722-728 are products of the mint at Thessalonica rather than Constantinople and the tornese, like the basilikon in its first stages was supposed to be a Constantinopolitan coinage, counted as fractional basilikon. Not until the second Palaiologos-Kantakouzenos civil war in the 1350s would another mint strike these billon denominations, and then when John VI Kantakouzenos struck them at Didymoteichon (Demotica) or Adrianople(?) around 1353/4 they were the basic general type of the metropolitan basilika. </p><p><br /></p><p>Another thing to take into account is that there are no parallel issues in neither basilika nor assaria for this type. </p><p><br /></p><p>The figure on the obverse might be Saint Theodore as in S. Bendall "Some Unpublished Late Byzantine Billon Coins" #1, which should date after ca 1304 (like the basilika) and the representation with the winged emperor holding trifurcate sceptre is common from around the 1290s.</p><p><br /></p><p>The "style" of your coin is hard to pinpoint, but judging by the obverse it is likely early part of 1300s.</p><p><br /></p><p>Very interesting type if real, but Palaiologan silver both basilika and tornesi have been faked before. You can find some of them <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/thumbnails.php?album=8" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/thumbnails.php?album=8" rel="nofollow">here</a>.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="seth77, post: 6957940, member: 56653"]I've never seen this tornese and any connections to the trachea showed in OP from DOC should take into account that DOC 722-728 are products of the mint at Thessalonica rather than Constantinople and the tornese, like the basilikon in its first stages was supposed to be a Constantinopolitan coinage, counted as fractional basilikon. Not until the second Palaiologos-Kantakouzenos civil war in the 1350s would another mint strike these billon denominations, and then when John VI Kantakouzenos struck them at Didymoteichon (Demotica) or Adrianople(?) around 1353/4 they were the basic general type of the metropolitan basilika. Another thing to take into account is that there are no parallel issues in neither basilika nor assaria for this type. The figure on the obverse might be Saint Theodore as in S. Bendall "Some Unpublished Late Byzantine Billon Coins" #1, which should date after ca 1304 (like the basilika) and the representation with the winged emperor holding trifurcate sceptre is common from around the 1290s. The "style" of your coin is hard to pinpoint, but judging by the obverse it is likely early part of 1300s. Very interesting type if real, but Palaiologan silver both basilika and tornesi have been faked before. You can find some of them [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/thumbnails.php?album=8']here[/URL].[/QUOTE]
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