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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2711408, member: 112"]No, nor does the date. Both of those change so they were quite intentionally left off of hubs for many, many years once hubbing became the general practice of die making.</p><p><br /></p><p>My point is that using a punch that has the entire bust on it for example is not a hub. Nor is a punch that has a left, right, or both sides of a wreath, nor any other portion of the design. They are still punches, not hub. </p><p><br /></p><p>One of the other factors that helps define hubbing is that hubbing is done by machine - not by hand. That is because it is incapable of being done by hand, and as Conder pointed out, it was even incapable of being done by crude machines. Even after steam presses were invented in the late 1830's it was still another 30 or more years before hubbing was incorporated into the die making process for it took them that long to get hubbing to work properly.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now if people want to call using gang punches hubbing, or bust punches, or partial design punches hubbing - fine call it what ya want. But it isn't hubbing, it's still just using punches.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2711408, member: 112"]No, nor does the date. Both of those change so they were quite intentionally left off of hubs for many, many years once hubbing became the general practice of die making. My point is that using a punch that has the entire bust on it for example is not a hub. Nor is a punch that has a left, right, or both sides of a wreath, nor any other portion of the design. They are still punches, not hub. One of the other factors that helps define hubbing is that hubbing is done by machine - not by hand. That is because it is incapable of being done by hand, and as Conder pointed out, it was even incapable of being done by crude machines. Even after steam presses were invented in the late 1830's it was still another 30 or more years before hubbing was incorporated into the die making process for it took them that long to get hubbing to work properly. Now if people want to call using gang punches hubbing, or bust punches, or partial design punches hubbing - fine call it what ya want. But it isn't hubbing, it's still just using punches.[/QUOTE]
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