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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2711244, member: 112"]Not long ago I asked the question of when a "hubs" (defined as containing the entire coin design) first began to be used by the US Mint. The answer I got was that it was not until the 1870's that that happened.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now different people are going to use different definitions as to what is a hub and what isn't a hub. For me, for it to be considered a hub it has to be the whole thing (the entire design) or it's still just a punch. That's because if you have to use more than 1 punch, and couple in hand work, to make a die - then you just can't call it a hub. And it doesn't matter whether you struck that punch with a hammer or used a press of some kind, a punch was still just a punch, even if it contained multiple design elements. And yes, these punches and gang punches that were used hundreds of years before the US existed still exist today. So we know the methodology with certainty.</p><p><br /></p><p>The process that Conder describes goes back centuries before the US Mint ever existed. Mints were using punches and gang punches, and hand work, to make each and every die. And it took time, a lot of time. So much time in fact that when a King or ruler died, coins bearing the - bust and name both - of the new King were sometimes delayed for as much as a year, or more - just so new dies could be made and distributed. Sometimes they would even use the previous King's bust and just change the name on the dies - merely to speed things up a bit because they still had to mint coins. Waiting was not an option. And that was the case until the late 1800's, at the most advanced mints in the world.</p><p><br /></p><p>And it is for reasons like that that I define a hub as I do. For it was only with the invention of hubbing that problems like this were able to be overcome. And yeah, sure they knew about the process of hubbing, had for hundreds of years, they just couldn't make it work until then.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2711244, member: 112"]Not long ago I asked the question of when a "hubs" (defined as containing the entire coin design) first began to be used by the US Mint. The answer I got was that it was not until the 1870's that that happened. Now different people are going to use different definitions as to what is a hub and what isn't a hub. For me, for it to be considered a hub it has to be the whole thing (the entire design) or it's still just a punch. That's because if you have to use more than 1 punch, and couple in hand work, to make a die - then you just can't call it a hub. And it doesn't matter whether you struck that punch with a hammer or used a press of some kind, a punch was still just a punch, even if it contained multiple design elements. And yes, these punches and gang punches that were used hundreds of years before the US existed still exist today. So we know the methodology with certainty. The process that Conder describes goes back centuries before the US Mint ever existed. Mints were using punches and gang punches, and hand work, to make each and every die. And it took time, a lot of time. So much time in fact that when a King or ruler died, coins bearing the - bust and name both - of the new King were sometimes delayed for as much as a year, or more - just so new dies could be made and distributed. Sometimes they would even use the previous King's bust and just change the name on the dies - merely to speed things up a bit because they still had to mint coins. Waiting was not an option. And that was the case until the late 1800's, at the most advanced mints in the world. And it is for reasons like that that I define a hub as I do. For it was only with the invention of hubbing that problems like this were able to be overcome. And yeah, sure they knew about the process of hubbing, had for hundreds of years, they just couldn't make it work until then.[/QUOTE]
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