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<p>[QUOTE="Gavin Richardson, post: 2805263, member: 83956"]<i><b>TL;DR: I don’t think this lambda officina is attested for this Licinius coin in RIC. It seems to be an unlisted officina for RIC VI Cyzicus 102 p. 594. Am I right?</b></i></p><p><br /></p><p>So I am continuing to completely re-catalogue my entire collection, with a major goal of assigning proper RIC numbers to my all Roman imperial coins. But this means I have to deal with the arcane mysteries of RIC, which some of you mastered long ago, but which I am still struggling with as a neophyte.</p><p><br /></p><p>Take, for example, this coin of Licinius. The identification of this coin was really difficult for me. The mintmark initially appeared to be SMH or SMN or even AN_? But comparing this coin with possible combinations of mintmarks and legend breaks pretty clearly narrows the options to Cyzicus and the mintmark to the probable SMK. (The photo doesn't really show the top half of the S, which can be seen in different light.)</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]655118[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The clear lambda in the right field is especially problematic; I don’t think it’s attested in RIC, so the RIC number RIC VI Cyzicus 102 (p. 594) is an approximation.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have collapsed the relevant RIC information below for what I <i>think</i> is my coin, RIC VI Cyzicus 102. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]655120[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>As you can see, RIC only lists, at most, 8 theoretical officinae, alpha-theta for such a coin, and seems to only attest 7 (through eta) for this particular issue. But the officina mintmark in the right field of my coin is quite clearly a lambda. At first I thought maybe it was a weird alpha or even delta, but it’s definitely a lambda. That would be three officinae beyond what RIC lists, requiring missing kappa and iota officinae too!</p><p><br /></p><p>I’ve consulted <i>NOT IN RIC</i> and don’t see this officina variant mentioned there.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you’re still reading this tedious post, thank you.</p><p><br /></p><p>So to post my original query: <u><i><b>I don’t think this lambda officina is attested for this Licinius coin in RIC. It seems to be an unlisted officina for RIC VI Cyzicus 102 p. 594. Am I right?</b></i></u></p><p><br /></p><p>Licinius I</p><p>309-310 A.D.</p><p>AE (bronze) follis or nummus</p><p>IMP C VAL LICIN LICINIVS PF AVG; laureate head right.</p><p>GENIO AV-GVSTI CMH ; Genius standing left, holding patera and cornucopia; lambda in right field. λ</p><p>SMK</p><p>RIC VI Cyzicus 102 p. 594 (?)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Gavin Richardson, post: 2805263, member: 83956"][I][B]TL;DR: I don’t think this lambda officina is attested for this Licinius coin in RIC. It seems to be an unlisted officina for RIC VI Cyzicus 102 p. 594. Am I right?[/B][/I] So I am continuing to completely re-catalogue my entire collection, with a major goal of assigning proper RIC numbers to my all Roman imperial coins. But this means I have to deal with the arcane mysteries of RIC, which some of you mastered long ago, but which I am still struggling with as a neophyte. Take, for example, this coin of Licinius. The identification of this coin was really difficult for me. The mintmark initially appeared to be SMH or SMN or even AN_? But comparing this coin with possible combinations of mintmarks and legend breaks pretty clearly narrows the options to Cyzicus and the mintmark to the probable SMK. (The photo doesn't really show the top half of the S, which can be seen in different light.) [ATTACH=full]655118[/ATTACH] The clear lambda in the right field is especially problematic; I don’t think it’s attested in RIC, so the RIC number RIC VI Cyzicus 102 (p. 594) is an approximation. I have collapsed the relevant RIC information below for what I [I]think[/I] is my coin, RIC VI Cyzicus 102. [ATTACH=full]655120[/ATTACH] As you can see, RIC only lists, at most, 8 theoretical officinae, alpha-theta for such a coin, and seems to only attest 7 (through eta) for this particular issue. But the officina mintmark in the right field of my coin is quite clearly a lambda. At first I thought maybe it was a weird alpha or even delta, but it’s definitely a lambda. That would be three officinae beyond what RIC lists, requiring missing kappa and iota officinae too! I’ve consulted [I]NOT IN RIC[/I] and don’t see this officina variant mentioned there. If you’re still reading this tedious post, thank you. So to post my original query: [U][I][B]I don’t think this lambda officina is attested for this Licinius coin in RIC. It seems to be an unlisted officina for RIC VI Cyzicus 102 p. 594. Am I right?[/B][/I][/U] Licinius I 309-310 A.D. AE (bronze) follis or nummus IMP C VAL LICIN LICINIVS PF AVG; laureate head right. GENIO AV-GVSTI CMH ; Genius standing left, holding patera and cornucopia; lambda in right field. λ SMK RIC VI Cyzicus 102 p. 594 (?)[/QUOTE]
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