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Message:: [QUOTE="Pellinore, post: 2963563, member: 74834"][USER=81039]@andronik[/USER], do you know where these coins were found? I mean, in which country or province. That may lead us to the identity of the coins. The Ayyubids may be right on the head. The second coin is probably an imitation of an Ayyubid dinar, like this one, that dates from 1204 AD. [ATTACH=full]725790[/ATTACH] This  is the period of the Fourth Crusade, a rather shameful affair from the Western point of view, when Constantinople was sacked by mutinous crusaders. Some of the plunder, stunning jewels and icons may still be seen in St. Mark's Basilica in Venice.  And this is a (debased) gold crusader imitation of about 1150 AD, as you may see the style is much more Arabic than your gold coin. [ATTACH=full]725791[/ATTACH] The makers of both of your coins were not able to read Arabic, probably they couldn't care less. Therefore, these coins probably did not circulate in Asia Minor or other islamic lands, and that makes me curious where they were found.[/QUOTE]