Unknown Byzantine, Medieval and One Coins

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Blake Davis, Feb 5, 2023.

  1. Blake Davis

    Blake Davis Well-Known Member

    One aspect of this hobby that I thoroughly enjoy is attributing coins. Getting a coin that you like is great but other than looking at it and admiring it....

    After years spent doing this I still get stumped and wear can make it much more difficult. For Greek bronze I have found that the Wildwinds site and Lindgren books are the most useful resources. Sometimes it can take hours, days, weeks months and in one instance involving a coin of Euboa, three years before going through a volume of Lindgren, I had a eureka moment.

    A couple years back i was given over a dozen coins that were completely unidentifiable - my best guess was very late Byzantine. It stumped me for months, until finally out of desperation I posted them on this site, and within minutes I was given the answers - Bulgarian medieval. It was impressive. But, I do believe that this is a resource to be used only as a very last resort.

    Nevertheless, again, I have some coins defy attribution - two of these I do believe may also be Bulgarian medieval, one other perhaps Islamic? the other clearly Greek but from where?

    With that wordy introduction completed, here they are:

    1. Bulgarian Medieval??? 0.63 grams 17mm. The flan is ridiculously thin - how could this be of bronze and used for money? what could it possibly buy?
    - perhaps originally silver plated but now among the thinnest bronze I have ever come across, except for #3 which is less than paper thin. The reverse on #1 and #2 is only the impression of the obverse

    DSCN1777 (2).JPG DSCN1778 (2).JPG

    2. Bulgarian medieval? Something else? 0.31 grams 17mm - bronze - formerly silver plated?

    DSCN1780 (2).JPG DSCN1782 (2).JPG

    3. Persian? Bulgarian? Silver or Bronze - 0.11 grams!! 12mm - #1 and #2 are extremely thin but this is a ridiculously thin flan - a bit darkened to aid attribution

    DSCN1632 (2) (2).JPG DSCN1631 (2) (2).JPG

    4. Greek Ae 10.5mm 1.20 grams - obv.: portrait right re: two flower bulbs? Something else? DSCN1899 (2).JPG DSCN1900 (2).JPG

    For the above I think I can make out the Greek letter "s" which is almost useless for attribution.

    I have one other coin that I have spent years trying to attribute - in fact I have four of the same type but only one has any details. The others are completely worn but they due to a very unusual flan they are clear of the same type. I have not given up on my attribution of this type I suspect something just past medieval -

    Thanks to all who give me some of their time in figuring out what for me is an insoluble puzzle.

    Sorry for the typos in the title- can't seem to edit that...
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  3. Blake Davis

    Blake Davis Well-Known Member

    the response earlier was immediate but these must be quite mysterious - I still think the first two are Bulgarian
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  4. Broucheion

    Broucheion Well-Known Member

    Hi @Blake Davis,

    I recognize #3 as an Ottoman coin of Constantinople dated - - 83 (1183 AH ?). The first image is the dated reverse and should be rotated 90 degrees to the left. The Obverse, the second image, is a toughra. It should be rotated 90 degrees to the right.

    For #4, I see two dolphins on either side of an anchor as the reverse. Seleucid?

    - Broucheion
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2023
  5. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    I think the nr3 is an Ottoman silver akçe of Mahmud II in 1810-1811.
    Obv. : tughra
    Rev. : "3. Minted in Constantinople. [12]23"
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  6. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    I haven't really spent much time here on CT as I have on NumisForums, but it is definitely Bulgarian, at least, the first two. However, the second one is very "weird" in comparison to the ones I have seen. For help, you might want to check out the plates from:


    It will help greatly...
  7. Blake Davis

    Blake Davis Well-Known Member

    Thanks - I agree with you about the first two being Bulgarian. I’ll take a closer look at Wildwinds and one other source
  8. Blake Davis

    Blake Davis Well-Known Member

    Thanks - Ottoman makes sense - Blake
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  9. Blake Davis

    Blake Davis Well-Known Member

    this is terrific - thanks - Blake
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