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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1964224, member: 19463"]A couple points: Dominorum is genitive plural used with Augustorum Nostrorum meaning of our Lords and Augusti. The and is supplied by Que which is appended on the end of the second word in the series not between them as English might do. The legend reads DD AVGG Q NN with the second G on AVGG indicating the plural. They doubled the last letter for pural but when there was only one letter as in DD and NN the last and the first are the same so that letter got doubled. I would be a bit surprised if Victoria is dative singular here but first declension dative plurals end in -is so dedicating the coin to multiple victories would have read Victoriis. That suggests the -ae ending might be nominative plural which ends the same as dative singular. That would then read: "These are the two Victories of our Lords and Augusti". I never could make any more sense out of Latin than I can of English. Please set me straight if you are a Latin wiz. I only took the language because it seemed the right thing to do to be an Ancient History major. </p><p><br /></p><p>Romans were not terribly consistent on the matter but sometimes they even used AVGGG to indicate three of a kind. This is found on several coins of the family of Carus but most significantly on the rare coins of Carausius where he was trying to place himself as one of three Augusti equal to Diocletian and Maximianus. They did not see it that way so their coins with GGG belong to mints controlled by Carausius while their own mints used just GG. There is enough inconsistency on the coins of Carus' family that it is hard to point out hard rules. For example coins with Carus and Augustus and Numerian as Caesar can have GGG even though there would not have been three Augusti unless you counted Numerian who was Caesar on the obverse of that coin. Explain that one!</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]347193[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1964224, member: 19463"]A couple points: Dominorum is genitive plural used with Augustorum Nostrorum meaning of our Lords and Augusti. The and is supplied by Que which is appended on the end of the second word in the series not between them as English might do. The legend reads DD AVGG Q NN with the second G on AVGG indicating the plural. They doubled the last letter for pural but when there was only one letter as in DD and NN the last and the first are the same so that letter got doubled. I would be a bit surprised if Victoria is dative singular here but first declension dative plurals end in -is so dedicating the coin to multiple victories would have read Victoriis. That suggests the -ae ending might be nominative plural which ends the same as dative singular. That would then read: "These are the two Victories of our Lords and Augusti". I never could make any more sense out of Latin than I can of English. Please set me straight if you are a Latin wiz. I only took the language because it seemed the right thing to do to be an Ancient History major. Romans were not terribly consistent on the matter but sometimes they even used AVGGG to indicate three of a kind. This is found on several coins of the family of Carus but most significantly on the rare coins of Carausius where he was trying to place himself as one of three Augusti equal to Diocletian and Maximianus. They did not see it that way so their coins with GGG belong to mints controlled by Carausius while their own mints used just GG. There is enough inconsistency on the coins of Carus' family that it is hard to point out hard rules. For example coins with Carus and Augustus and Numerian as Caesar can have GGG even though there would not have been three Augusti unless you counted Numerian who was Caesar on the obverse of that coin. Explain that one! [ATTACH=full]347193[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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