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<p>[QUOTE="Julius Germanicus, post: 3229627, member: 80783"]I love die studies, too! It´s just that I´m not as good at them as <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/tif.56859/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/tif.56859/">TIF</a> .</p><p><br /></p><p>So here are two more specimens we can compare my Medallion with:</p><p><br /></p><p>This one is from the Vienna coin Cabinett:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]843077[/ATTACH] </p><p>It seems to be from the same obverse die like my coin, but another different reverse.</p><p>As this is NOT the specimen illustrated by Pink which I showed as Nr.2 in my OP, and according to the Vienna museum is the only one of their three Numerian Medallions that matches my type, the example shown by Pink must be a different specimen, maybe the one from the 1923 Schulmann catalogue (Nr. 2497, ex Bizot collection) that I mentioned as Nr.6 in my OP. Does someone here have access to that catalogue?</p><p><br /></p><p>Maybe my Medallion might not even be of the same exact reverse type as the coins I showed for comparison in my OP. Those (including the Vienna coin above) all have the three Montae facing LEFT (Gnecchi Nr.7-9, six known apart from my coin).</p><p>The Berlin coin (illustrated in my last post above) however has the central Moneta FACING (Gnecchi Nr.10).</p><p>There are four Medallions known of that type (all presumably from the same single obverse die as the other variety) according to Gnecchi: the one in Berlin (pictured above) plus specimens in Florence, the Vatican, and Madrid.</p><p>Here is the Florence Medallion:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]843082[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>This is obviously again from the same obverse die and the reverse looks quite similar to the Berlin Medallion.</p><p><br /></p><p>Curtis Clay (on the German forum) made the interesting observation that on reverse dies where all three Monetae are facing left (Gnecchi Nr.7-9), the upper and lower ends of their cornucopiae are usually bent to the left, while on dies where the ends of the central Moneta´s cornucopia are bent to the right, the central Moneta is facing frontal (like on the Berlin and Florence coins, Gnecchi Nr.10).</p><p>Also, according to Curtis, left facing Monatae (ends of cornucopia accordingly bent to the left also) should be standing on their right leg (their left foot tilted to the side, i.e. towards the viewer), while Monetae facing frontally (ends of cornucopia bent to the right) stand on their LEFT leg (their right foot tilted towards the viewer).</p><p>As on my Medallion the central Moneta´s cornucopia´s ends are obviously also bent to the right, and according to Curtis she is standing on her left leg, Curtis concludes that she therefore must be facing frontal.</p><p>I cannot determine weather she is facing left or frontal due to the coin´s wear, but maybe you can.</p><p>If Curtis is rigth, that could be the reason why I could not find a reverse die match for my coin yet.</p><p><br /></p><p>Does someone here know a source where the Vatican and Madrid Medallions might be pictured?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Julius Germanicus, post: 3229627, member: 80783"]I love die studies, too! It´s just that I´m not as good at them as [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/members/tif.56859/']TIF[/URL] . So here are two more specimens we can compare my Medallion with: This one is from the Vienna coin Cabinett: [ATTACH=full]843077[/ATTACH] It seems to be from the same obverse die like my coin, but another different reverse. As this is NOT the specimen illustrated by Pink which I showed as Nr.2 in my OP, and according to the Vienna museum is the only one of their three Numerian Medallions that matches my type, the example shown by Pink must be a different specimen, maybe the one from the 1923 Schulmann catalogue (Nr. 2497, ex Bizot collection) that I mentioned as Nr.6 in my OP. Does someone here have access to that catalogue? Maybe my Medallion might not even be of the same exact reverse type as the coins I showed for comparison in my OP. Those (including the Vienna coin above) all have the three Montae facing LEFT (Gnecchi Nr.7-9, six known apart from my coin). The Berlin coin (illustrated in my last post above) however has the central Moneta FACING (Gnecchi Nr.10). There are four Medallions known of that type (all presumably from the same single obverse die as the other variety) according to Gnecchi: the one in Berlin (pictured above) plus specimens in Florence, the Vatican, and Madrid. Here is the Florence Medallion: [ATTACH=full]843082[/ATTACH] This is obviously again from the same obverse die and the reverse looks quite similar to the Berlin Medallion. Curtis Clay (on the German forum) made the interesting observation that on reverse dies where all three Monetae are facing left (Gnecchi Nr.7-9), the upper and lower ends of their cornucopiae are usually bent to the left, while on dies where the ends of the central Moneta´s cornucopia are bent to the right, the central Moneta is facing frontal (like on the Berlin and Florence coins, Gnecchi Nr.10). Also, according to Curtis, left facing Monatae (ends of cornucopia accordingly bent to the left also) should be standing on their right leg (their left foot tilted to the side, i.e. towards the viewer), while Monetae facing frontally (ends of cornucopia bent to the right) stand on their LEFT leg (their right foot tilted towards the viewer). As on my Medallion the central Moneta´s cornucopia´s ends are obviously also bent to the right, and according to Curtis she is standing on her left leg, Curtis concludes that she therefore must be facing frontal. I cannot determine weather she is facing left or frontal due to the coin´s wear, but maybe you can. If Curtis is rigth, that could be the reason why I could not find a reverse die match for my coin yet. Does someone here know a source where the Vatican and Madrid Medallions might be pictured?[/QUOTE]
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