Unintentional Set Building?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mat, Jan 23, 2021.

  1. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I’m sure many of us have done this, but It seems like I have been unintentionally acquiring tetradrachms of Caracalla from different mints, only based on getting nearly all of them for under $70 or less.

    Below are my latest two solely because of the reasons above.

    These two about 2 months to arrive with them boomeranging back and forth at the L.A. facility over a dozen times alone. Never seen that before but shouldn’t be surprised.

    I have also included a nice group shot of them altogether since many here, including I, love seeing ancients gathered together like an old High School reunion.

    And below the set photos are my older Tets.

    What coins/sets did you end up forming without any intention of doing so?

    Caracalla (198 - 217 A.D.)
    AR Tetradrachm
    MESOPOTAMIA, Rhesaena
    O: AVT KAI ANTΩNЄINOC CЄB, laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right.
    R: ΔHMAPX ЄΞ VΠATOC TO Δ, eagle standing facing, head right, with wings spread, holding wreath in beak; rectangle between legs. Struck 215/17AD
    Prieur 876 Bellinger 172

    Caracalla (198 - 217 A.D.)
    AR Tetradrachm
    O: AVT KAI ANTωNINOC CЄ, Laureate bust right.
    R: ΔHMAPX ЄΞ VΠATOC TO Δ, Eagle, with head left, wreath in beak and wings spread, standing facing on club right; murex shell between legs. Struck 213/17AD
    Prieur 1547


    Caracalla (198 - 217 A.D.)
    AR Tetradrachm
    Beroea, Cyrrhestica, Syria
    O: AVT K M AV ANTΩNЄINOC CЄB, Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    Eagle standing facing, head and tail left, with wings spread, holding wreath in beak; between legs, bird facing between legs.
    Prieur 884

    Caracalla (198 - 217 A.D.)
    AR Tetradrachm
    Laodicea ad Mare, Seleucis and Pieria
    O: AYT K M A ANTΩNEINOC CEB, laureate head right.
    R: ∆HMAPX EΞ YΠATOC TO ∆, facing eagle, head left holding wreath in beak, star between legs.
    Prieur 1179

    Caracalla (198 - 217 A.D.)
    AR Tetradrachm
    Mesopotamia, Carrhae
    O: AVT·K·M·A ANTONЄINOC ·C-EB · ·, laureate head of Caracalla right; two pellets beneath rear truncation.
    R: ΔΗΜΑΡΧ ΕΞ ΥΠΑΤΟ Δ, eagle standing facing on bucranium, dot to each side, wings spread, head right, wreath in beak.
    Prieur 820, Bellinger 160, SGI 2701

    Ex. Agora Auctions, lot 184, Sale 81
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  3. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis One Decade Collecting Supporter

    I have both a 1972 Proof Bahamas set... and a 1975 Bahamas Unc set. Rather weird when I realized. I don't usually do it that way.
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  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I bought a few world crown size coins a few years ago just because it was a few I wanted and since then I have been building a nice size set of large world silvers.
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  5. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker Supporter

    Nice tray shot!

    A good set whether unintentional or not.

  6. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Dombes collector Supporter

    I realized I was building a 12 Caesars set when I landed the last but one : silly me !

    Nice set @Mat

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  7. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    I only have modern Proof Sets. But, I am trying to get a complete run of Axumite AV coinage. These are mostly 1/3 Aurei(Units) from 15 Kings/ including a 1/8 (I have 5 so far)
    I do have the complete Biafra gold issue from 1969/ they where wiped out in 1970. Here is the first Axumite AV coin/
    Endybis 270-90AD ND/ NM 4950f1dfb0070d21a74c12fdaefb2af0.jpg

    Nice coins Mat!:)
  8. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    One of my favorites of yours.

    Same, took a while but had no big plans for 12 caesars. Same with Parthians and I can go on.
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  9. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @Mat.....Nice, Nice!
    About 8 years ago I bought a lot of ancient Indian coins and picked out a few that really appealed to me.....It started from there.....
    The set is twice as big now....I need to update!
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  10. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis One Decade Collecting Supporter

    Wow, nice group! Would love to see them all :rolleyes:
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  11. nicholasz219

    nicholasz219 Well-Known Member

    Nice mini collection @Mat! I like the second from Tyre the most. The fourth’s eye is Uh interesting. If these were a tad cheaper I would have a million because of you. As it is I probably have ten tets across emperors.
  12. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Fun set!

    A long time ago I bought a large lot from Naumann that ended up containing a large number of Nabataean coins - it took me over 18 months to finally look through them (as I had long since broken even on the purchase itself) and when I did - I realized I had almost every ruler and maybe 2/3 of all types covered!

    Early anonymous, AE imitation of Alexander stater
    Nabataea early anonymous athena nike.jpg

    Obodas II Nabataea Obodas II eagle.jpg
    Nabataea Aretas IV with Syllaeus.jpg
    Aretas IV with first wife Huldu
    Nabataea Aretas IV with Huldu.jpg
    Aretas IV with Shuqailat, wedding commemorative
    Nabataea Aretas IV Shuqailat wedding commemorative.jpg
    Aretas IV celebrating daughter Phasaelis (maybe marriage to Herod Antipas?)
    Nabataea Aretas IV Phasaelis PS monogram.jpg
    Another, different type (I've heard maybe Phasaelis' birth?)
    Nabataea Aretas IV birth of Phasael.jpg
    Aretas IV with Shuqailat (common type)
    Nabataea Aretas IV Shuqailat AE.jpg
    Malichus with Shuqailat
    Nabataea Malichus II with Shuqailat.jpg
    Rabbel II with Gamilath
    Nabataea Rabbel II and Gamilath.jpg
  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    I have a coin (or many coins) of each of the 12 but I do not know off the top of my head which one was the last acquired. Certainly I could look it up in my database but it is no a question with meaning to me. Neither could I tell you how many emperors (27 BC to 1453 AD) I have without looking it up. Sets are only sets when we define what is in a set. My definition of a collectible set is 'coins I like'.

    Opinion: Sets, as we who collect ancients use the word are not like the plastic wrapped proof sets Evan Saltis referred to. Many people collect sets of these sets meaning a run of several years of proof sets. In ancients, it is a bit unusual to see a complete 12 Caesars set sold as a unit since most collectors enjoy building their own from individuals and would break the set down if the bought it selecting only the ones that upgraded their coin of that type. Years ago I recall an auction with an interesting 'rule' The coins were sold one at a time to the highest bidder BUT those sales were provisional on a final lot where all 12 were offered together as one group. The coins went either to the winner of the individuals or the winner of the group whichever resulted in the highest total result.

    How many of you keep your 12 Caesars in a single holder like the one shown in the above link? There must have been a demand for these a few dacades back or they would not have been made but it has been years since I saw one offered filled with coins. The description here reads:
    "12 Caesars Plastic Display Case, less the coins of course, unless you just purchased them in the previous lots."
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  14. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Mat, You've got a handsome group of Caracalla Tets, & the group photo is a great idea showing the many different styles :D! At one time I had a large group of Caracalla Tets but sold all the examples from the Tyre & Judaea mints to buy other coins. Below are some of the examples I kept :happy:.

    Prieur 1204 obv..JPG Prieur 1204 rev..JPG
    McAlee 667, 14.32 gm, 27 mm, 11h, obv..jpg McAlee 667, 14.32 gm, 27 mm, 11h, rev..jpg 1883002-031 obv..jpg 1883002-031 rev..jpg 100_7071-1.jpg 100_7072-1.jpg
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2021
  15. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Bother great deals and nice coins @Mat and a cool set so far!
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