Understanding the 1921 and 1922 peace dollar?

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  1. Windi

    Windi Member

    I have read that all 1921 peace dollars are described as high relief and then in 1922 the y switched to low relief. I have looked at differences they state on the 1922 peace dollar(from usacoinbook site)yet, I am confused. When I look at images of the 1921, there are not two lines going through the O in dollar and there is not an extention on the n in one . I did a few screen shots because I would love clarification? If the 1921 and very few 1922 were high relief..would they not look the same? Screenshot_20171206-081934.png Screenshot_20171206-082729.png
     
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  3. Windi

    Windi Member

    Did they briefly change the design for the high relief in 1922 then go back to the original? That would give me a better understanding. .
     
  4. cwart

    cwart Senior Member

    I'm not sure if this is some of the info you're looking for, but I believe the high relief 1922's are matte proofs so they would have a different looking surface to the coin than the business strike 1921's.
     
  5. robec

    robec Junior Member

    Well there were only 10 1922 high relief Peace dollars (matte proof) minted. The one photographed in the initial post is not one of them.

    These two are pictured in CoinFacts.

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  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    What he is asking is why the high relief 21 reverse appears to be from a different hub design than the 22 high relief reverse.
     
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  7. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    If you go to the Search box above your avatar/info at the top of the page and enter 1922 high relief peace, click Search title only, Search this forum only, and Display results as threads, you will get 51 previous threads with a lot of info and references and photos. Jim
     
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  8. Windi

    Windi Member

    I have read many articles and have read a lot of discussion and the particular 1922 high relief (and low) rare piece. I just do not understand why there were 35,401 thousand pieces minted then destroyed with the exception of a very few and they have a different design? It's my understanding that the 1921 peace dollars are all high relief, yet the rare 1922 high relief are different. I do not understand a brief change of design only to go back to the original design that is the same of the 1921 high relief. I do understand the modification of low relief however, the design is the same the 1921. To hopefully sum up my question :If the peace dollar coin was minted in 1921 briefly towards the end of 1921, why would a design change take place in Jan of 1922 only 35 thousand pieces minted then destroyed with rare differences to go back to the original design just not as indepth (if you will) as the 1921? Who designed the high relief 1922 change? Just curious to that part. I had read an article where there had been no information with the mint regarding that batch or the change in design. I'll keep reading!! Thank you for your replies!
     
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  9. Windi

    Windi Member

    On a side note, I just purchased my first peace dollars ( which prompted study) and realized that the rim has doubling? I'm again probably not stating the proper term. I'll keep quiet and study 20171206_143628.jpg 20171206_135914.jpg
     
  10. HAB Peace 28 2.0

    HAB Peace 28 2.0 Business, is business. Supporter

    There is a Whitman Red Book about Peace dollars. It covers your topic about the 21-22 high relief p dollars very well. I know that they had problems with stacking the 1921 peace dollars, because they were high relief. In 1922 they decided to go back to regular (low) relief. In order to fix this problem.

    Maybe somebody(s) got the memo to late and that's why they made so little, and destroyed the rest lol.

    The 1922 high relief Peace Dollar is a very interesting coin to study. Not to mention, it's extremely valuable and highly sought after.
     
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  11. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    that's a low relief coin
     
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  12. Windi

    Windi Member

    It's my understanding that high relief meant a wider edge and they reduced the edge so the coin would stack better, hence low relief. From the history in 1922 all the mints received the dies in January 1922 and waited for the changes (being the low relief version). It also is my understanding that Morgan produced the 35 thousand and halted. They were then destroyed with a few exceptional pieces.
    What I do not understand is why the various changes were made to one run for Jan 1922 (by Morgan?) when in four days(End of December) over one million 1921 peace dollars produced high relief, a different version was created in January- both high and low relief that were destroyed.. and the original version (matching the 1921) in which all the mints had already received the dies waiting for the low relief modification go ahead , match the original?
    Why would Morgan change the design in January, destroy it and back to original? That just seems strange, especially since no one knew about them for a very long time?
    Maybe I watch too many conspiracy theories...
     
  13. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    There's also the Medium Relief from '22 - don't forget that one.
     
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  14. Windi

    Windi Member

    I think too much.
     
  15. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    That is just an offset collar, @Windi. It struck that way. Look at how thin the opposite end is. The coin was misaligned when it was collared. Look at how thick the top (really, the 1:00 position, were this a clock) is, which is the normal thickness.
     
  16. Windi

    Windi Member

    Thank you. I'm learning much and appreciate your input.
     
  17. JAY-AR

    JAY-AR Well-Known Member

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  19. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

    I have a 1921 HR and 1922 LR and others.
    It is so much easier to have them in-hand and compare the intricate detail differences than to look at pictures.

    I used the information in the Redbook to discern the variations. What I didn't understand in the pictures, it was more relevant viewing them in-hand.
     
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  20. JAY-AR

    JAY-AR Well-Known Member

    In 22 there were 2 reverse designs, yours looks to be a B1 reverse, yours also does have a collar clash as Eddiespin mentioned, there looks to be some possible "reeding" impressions on the reverse from "ONE" over to "Peace on rim...can't tell for sure from the pic. Here's some info on the B1 and B2 design.
    http://www.vamworld.com/1922-D+VAMs
     
  21. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    The B1 and B2 Reverses were entirely different from those used for High Relief; although the design was closer to the 1921 Aa Reverse than the 1922 HR, they had to be completely recut in every device.

    Not unprecedented. In 1878, when they were just beginning to strike Morgan Dollars, the Mint went through three completely different reverses and one blend of two of them (the 7/8TF) in three weeks. :)
     
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