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Message:: [QUOTE="jmferris, post: 2412415, member: 78421"]Like a lot of others, I would buy it if it was such an incredibly good deal that I could not pass it up, or if it is for an example that I reasonably could not acquire in a non-problem state.  In both cases, though, I would still like to upgrade, if the opportunity ever arose.  At least in what I am collecting right now, I have a set of non-realistic standards about what I would like each coin to grade at (and be problem-free).  When it comes to key dates, though, that means that there is going to be a longer time between picking them up, my minimum grade standard is going to need to be lowered for those specific coins, or that I will fill them with problem coins to keep my OCD at bay, until each one can be replaced with something that falls into my line of expectations. That being said, I have no problem with and old market-acceptable cleaning, and in a lot of cases, a cleaning that does not look too unnatural.  But, in those cases, I normally will buy raw.  If the only problem is a cleaning that does not look unnatural, I can likely source it more cheaply raw than a certified "Details" specimen in the same condition.  What drives me nuts are holed coins, personally.  On some level, it makes me sad to see them.  Of course, I am sure that a lot of them were done contemporarily, and those who did it looked at it with little more indifference than we would look at holing modern day coinage.[/QUOTE]