UNC - Improperly Cleaned Grade by NGC

Luster looks good to me. In fact that's why i posted links to both of the coins - the "cleaned" coin has just as nice a luster to it as the MS63. And again, I am not an expert, but I am no novice either.

I wish there was a better way to show you - i tried scanning the coin in the holder and the picture isnt any better than the one on the NGC website.

Maybe as an experiment I will crack it out and re-submit just to check NGC's consistency. Will cost me $17 to have it re-graded, but would happily post results here either way.

Thanks for all the input/advice, much appreciated.

 

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If you don't mind spending the $17...then go for it. Sometimes solving one's curiosity is worth a little cash. If you do it, let us know what happens.

 

Thanks! What was the saying about curiosity and the cat again...

 

I have had some coins that I submitted to NGC that I thought were cleaned & they came back graded. But on the other hand some I thought were No problem, came back cleaned. You just never know.

 

You want to see how consistent they are? I think you will run out of money before you can establish that--those submissions are meant for coins that you want to slab.

By the way, $40 Morgans are almost always that--$40 Morgans. Do you think they're going to magically double in value, when that series is the most collected one in the country? Save your submissions for a real certification--I am sure you will find a coin that should be slabbed.

 

Tis the principle of the thing, not the $ of the thing.

 

No, I don't think they will magically double in value. I expect triple or quadruple - I am looking to get rich quick!

I don't understand your comment about "save your submissions for a real certification". If you are suggesting that some coins do not deserve to be graded, I simply disagree. I don't feel the need to save my submissions - I like spending my money on my hobby and am not worried about a few bucks here and there to have coins graded. That's the fun of it. Or maybe its more of a vice.

Either way, I don't smoke. I don't drink. I don't go out with friends very much. I think fancy cars are a terrible waste of money, so I don't buy them. I enjoy coins, and having them graded on a whim is part of the excitement.

Just my 2 cents.

 

I was totally ready to defend you until I read this. You sir, are on your own.

In all seriousness...if you are getting joy out of the hobby with your submissions, then do it.

 

I can appreciate fine cars, but my point was that they can be money pits. Love to drive them, hate to own them. Not a good ROI in vast majority of cases, thats all. Didn't mean to offend anyone!

 

You can buy a Hyundai like El Cheapo and still be happy. Point A to point B works for me, but, always North American. A car is never a good investment, unless you restore it yourself and do not count or value your time in the math on the bottom line.

 

Good--if you want to slab a dubious example of an extremely common coin, it is your money. As I said previously, given my experiences with Morgans, you can find better uses of the money by finding already slabbed examples of common coins in nice MS grade, rather than wasting time and money encapsulating problem coins. However, if you want to send off all of your problem coins for fun, by all means, do it. Your dime, your dollar--just don't be surprised when a cleaned or damaged coin comes back "cleaned". You're not proving NGCs consistency by doing that--you're proving that problem coins are almost always not graded by them.

 

After reading your post I am planning on sending even more extremely common coins that I KNOW are cleaned off to NGC for grading. Then I will act completely surprised when the come back as UNC - Improperly Cleaned. I will cry "woe is me!" and then create a new post complaining about it. Please keep on the lookout for it.

 

I'm sensing sarcasm and quite a lot of it....

 

Dont Do That. You shouldnt spend your own money, enjoying this hobby the way you want. You should only do what the vocal minority of this forum tells you to do.

 

I agree. We have figured out the best use for your money, so clearly following the instructions you have been given is your best course of action.

 

Yes, sorry. I was in a bit of a mood when I typed this...

 

For the record, I am quite sarcastic and have a very dry sense of humor (or so I've been told over and over again). No need to apologize, I enjoyed it and took it for what it was...humorous.

 

Frankly, I don't give a rip how many coins you send in. I was trying to be helpful, and you responded as the king of sarcasm. Enjoy your submissions!!!

 

Hotpocket, submitting coins is a great learning experience. I don't see any problem with submitting coins like this one, especially if you have 30 years experience collecting and didn't see any sign of cleaning before hand. It's your money, and you should enjoy the hobby how you wish to.

The suggestions of others on this forum are just that, suggestions. And, bear in mind, some are more slanted to the "investment / flip" mentality, while others are geared towards enjoying the hobby and learning about numismatics. May you have many more enjoyable submissions, and best of luck with however you choose to proceed with this coin (be it option, 1, 2, 3, or 4).

 

How would we recognize it among all the other "woe is me" posts?