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<p>[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 8233365, member: 110504"][USER=110350]@DonnaML[/USER], you're due a public apology for my comments earlier in the thread:</p><p>"Regarding nationalism generally, from here, the whole concept is reeking crap. A lot like 'race' --Show Me One other example, in mammalian zoological taxonomy, where the term is even used. Back to nationalism, it's kind of like, if you really descend from only one major ethnicity, keep your sons <i>and </i>daughters under lock and key. --For the sake of the rest of the species, because you're frighteningly inbred."</p><p>Whether or not this completely absolves me, I had an entirely different demographic in mind. ...Let's not go there, if we don't have to.</p><p>...I've had numerous adventures with commercial DNA companies, going back a decade or so. From here, the essential, opening caveat has to be that they are, after all, commercial. Meaning, for one, that their databases are mutually proprietary, and effectively tell you more about the extent, and limits, of their clientele than about the human genetic record at large. It's ultimately more a business than a science.</p><p>From memory, among the three companies I wound up giving my money to, all emphasized the predictable British Isles, northwestern European and Scandinavian elements. From there it kind of went into freestyle. Between them, they registered residual Sub-Saharan African descent, along with some Ashkenazi. (--'Residual' apart from, let's see, minor details like facial morphology, the cultural environment, and consequent personal experience. For one benign instance, the guy at the restaurant where I worked who liked to call me 'Cambodian' --he thought that was really funny.) At this level, they differed widely, not only between eachother, but from one month to the next, within the same company. At this interval, 23&me includes both. --But it's also worth noting that, even among the European groups, the various percentages have been no less volatile. Whether or not the science itself is still in its infancy, the commercial application sure makes it look that way.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 8233365, member: 110504"][USER=110350]@DonnaML[/USER], you're due a public apology for my comments earlier in the thread: "Regarding nationalism generally, from here, the whole concept is reeking crap. A lot like 'race' --Show Me One other example, in mammalian zoological taxonomy, where the term is even used. Back to nationalism, it's kind of like, if you really descend from only one major ethnicity, keep your sons [I]and [/I]daughters under lock and key. --For the sake of the rest of the species, because you're frighteningly inbred." Whether or not this completely absolves me, I had an entirely different demographic in mind. ...Let's not go there, if we don't have to. ...I've had numerous adventures with commercial DNA companies, going back a decade or so. From here, the essential, opening caveat has to be that they are, after all, commercial. Meaning, for one, that their databases are mutually proprietary, and effectively tell you more about the extent, and limits, of their clientele than about the human genetic record at large. It's ultimately more a business than a science. From memory, among the three companies I wound up giving my money to, all emphasized the predictable British Isles, northwestern European and Scandinavian elements. From there it kind of went into freestyle. Between them, they registered residual Sub-Saharan African descent, along with some Ashkenazi. (--'Residual' apart from, let's see, minor details like facial morphology, the cultural environment, and consequent personal experience. For one benign instance, the guy at the restaurant where I worked who liked to call me 'Cambodian' --he thought that was really funny.) At this level, they differed widely, not only between eachother, but from one month to the next, within the same company. At this interval, 23&me includes both. --But it's also worth noting that, even among the European groups, the various percentages have been no less volatile. Whether or not the science itself is still in its infancy, the commercial application sure makes it look that way.[/QUOTE]
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