UAE Coin Chaos and Politics

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by mrbrklyn, Aug 19, 2012.

  1. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    This seems to be a spreading trend this month...

    http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-...ould-have-1-5-and-10-fils-coins-says-ministry
     
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  3. wd40

    wd40 Member

    hmmmm.
    we phased out the 1 fils coin I think more than 30 years ago.
     
  4. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Looks like nobody told the Royal Family
     
  5. wd40

    wd40 Member

    UAE is a different country :D , I live in the neighboring Bahrain.
    But the value / exchange rate of 1 fils is the same.
    1 Fils = 0.0027 US$ = 0.27 of a US cent.
    5 Fils = 0.0136 US$ = 1.36 cents
    10 Fils = 0.027 US$ = 2.7 cents
    25 Fils = 0.068 US$ = 6.8 cents
    50 Fils = 0.136 US$ = 13.6 cents
    100 Fils = 0.27 US$ = 27 cents

    now the cheapest thing that I can think of is a government backed bread, it costs 20 Fils.
    a coke costs 150 Fils

    I think they should cancel the 1,5,10 and replace the 25 with a 20 Fils coin.
     
  6. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    From that article:

    In the Netherlands those small coins (1 and 2 cent) are still legal tender. But Dutch law allows store to round the cash totals, and most places do that. In those cases, the smallest denomination needed is a 5 cent piece.

    Ah yes, right. The US actually phased the half cent out in 1857. :D

    Christian
     
  7. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    As far as I know, both the UAE dirham and the Bahrain dinar (like most GCC countries or currencies) are pegged to the US dollar, so it does indeed make sense to assume that the dirham/dinar exchange rate will not change. :) Question is, how soon and where will the currency union come? I read that the UAE plan to stay out (at least initially), so while for Bahrain it may be reasonable to not change the "cash setup" until then, the scenario for the UAE may be different.

    But the small change issue was or is a problem elsewhere too (e.g. Argentina or India). In my opinion it is OK if the government does it the Dutch way, for example, with cash totals being rounded. This way the customer does not get cheated, as rounding means rounding up or down (e.g. 8/9/0/1/2 > 0 and 3/4/5/6/7 > 5). If however the merchant simply says, sorry, no small change, you will pay more ... that does sound like chaeting.

    Christian
     
  8. wd40

    wd40 Member

    Financial union will not happen any time soon, and with problems in the Euro system I do no think that it will happen at all.

    as for rounding, it can be avoided, small shops do not use fractions 25 fils is minimum for anything so you will not see an item that costs 35 or 70 fils etc, big super markets can do the same "of course the exception is the bread, and it is sold in "specialist" shops / bakers.
     
  9. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Yes, would make a lot of sense to either round totals ... or have prices that "fit", as you mentioned. By the way, I just noticed that the newspaper has a second story about this here http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-...d-be-costing-uae-consumers-up-to-dh41m-a-year, and an "op-ed" comment here http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/editorial/scrap-small-coins-to-simplify-life. That second one suggests that small denominations are a nuisance. It says that, instead of forcing retailers to have lots of small denomination coins, the UAE government could rather introduce some cash rounding regulation. Sounds good. :)

    Christian
     
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