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<p>[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 1822808, member: 57463"]The government was in denial. Silver coins dated 1964 were produced through 1965. The simple fact of fiat money inflation was being denied and "coin collectors" were being blamed for "hoarding" coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, the Kennedy Half Dollar was considered a memorial to the slain President. The silver-clad coins had most of the appearance of the 1964 coins. And at 40% silver, they were not immediately "hoarded" by "collectors."</p><p><br /></p><p>This sort of thing has happened often in European history. See <i>The Big Problem of Small Change</i> by Sargent and Velde reviewed here:</p><p><a href="http://www.minneapolisfed.org/publications_papers/pub_display.cfm?id=3374" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.minneapolisfed.org/publications_papers/pub_display.cfm?id=3374" rel="nofollow">http://www.minneapolisfed.org/publications_papers/pub_display.cfm?id=3374</a></p><p>Just to say, during the Middle Ages, by weight and fineness a <i>grosso</i> coin might be "worth" six <i>penny</i> coins, but the six pennies have more utility for small purchases, so in the marketplaces people were loathe to give them up and might offer only four or five for a grosso.</p><p><br /></p><p>If any prince, bishop, or city struck pure silver, the coins went for exports and did not circulate at home, so there would be a shortage no matter how many were struck. So, the solution was to reduce the fineness, making "base silver" the common coins at home. </p><p><br /></p><p>The prince or bishop or city strikes a few tens of thousands of grossi to buy the things they need like armor, food, or ships. That's fine but eventually those suppliers to the authority need to buy beer, bread, cloth, shoes, etc., and if shoes cost four pennies and the supplier to the city hands over a grosso, he does not get any money back: the shoes just cost him six pence. Then 500 years later, economists scratch their heads over "silver inflation" at a time of "silver famines."</p><p><br /></p><p>As this was really a US History question, see <i>The U.S. Mint and Coinage</i> by Don Taxay. We read elsewhere that at various times in the 1800s US coins were exported for their silver, causing shortages at home. Newspaper stories are sometimes cited. Taxay denies them, pointing to the <b>utility</b> of coinage, downplaying the temporary nature of news, and citing other stories of merchants having to sell their change at a discount to get rid of it. I believe that both stories are true depending on time and place and realizing that conditions go back and forth.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 1822808, member: 57463"]The government was in denial. Silver coins dated 1964 were produced through 1965. The simple fact of fiat money inflation was being denied and "coin collectors" were being blamed for "hoarding" coins. Also, the Kennedy Half Dollar was considered a memorial to the slain President. The silver-clad coins had most of the appearance of the 1964 coins. And at 40% silver, they were not immediately "hoarded" by "collectors." This sort of thing has happened often in European history. See [I]The Big Problem of Small Change[/I] by Sargent and Velde reviewed here: [url]http://www.minneapolisfed.org/publications_papers/pub_display.cfm?id=3374[/url] Just to say, during the Middle Ages, by weight and fineness a [I]grosso[/I] coin might be "worth" six [I]penny[/I] coins, but the six pennies have more utility for small purchases, so in the marketplaces people were loathe to give them up and might offer only four or five for a grosso. If any prince, bishop, or city struck pure silver, the coins went for exports and did not circulate at home, so there would be a shortage no matter how many were struck. So, the solution was to reduce the fineness, making "base silver" the common coins at home. The prince or bishop or city strikes a few tens of thousands of grossi to buy the things they need like armor, food, or ships. That's fine but eventually those suppliers to the authority need to buy beer, bread, cloth, shoes, etc., and if shoes cost four pennies and the supplier to the city hands over a grosso, he does not get any money back: the shoes just cost him six pence. Then 500 years later, economists scratch their heads over "silver inflation" at a time of "silver famines." As this was really a US History question, see [I]The U.S. Mint and Coinage[/I] by Don Taxay. We read elsewhere that at various times in the 1800s US coins were exported for their silver, causing shortages at home. Newspaper stories are sometimes cited. Taxay denies them, pointing to the [B]utility[/B] of coinage, downplaying the temporary nature of news, and citing other stories of merchants having to sell their change at a discount to get rid of it. I believe that both stories are true depending on time and place and realizing that conditions go back and forth.[/QUOTE]
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