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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 8251144, member: 26430"]Thanks for sharing that! Did he collect other types of coins that he didn't hide and that people <i>were</i> aware of?</p><p><br /></p><p>He gives a very interesting reason for anonymity that I hadn't previously considered: If dealers know what you collect, they gain a lot of leverage since they'll know how important certain coins are to you. (In bidding, though, it could be an advantage; others, knowing how committed you are and how deep your pockets, might not even try to bid against you.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm sure it's especially true at his level of wealth, but also that it's true of ordinary collectors, too. Of course -- the other side -- being a "generalist" collector means you can't be leveraged into paying a lot for a rarity. (Or using a "generalist" collection as a cover so people don't realize how crazy you'll go for, say, the minutest variations on fallen horsemen or "captives" AE3s.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I can't imagine collecting as a solitary pursuit for that long. Of course, now he's made it public and he'll be permanently remembered (or for a long time, anyway) in the numismatic world, and it's become a very public social activity.</p><p><br /></p><p>If accurate, it's true dedication:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>"PSEUDONYMITY":</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p>I have a number of pseudonymous collections like that, for which I'm always wondering about the sources.</p><p><br /></p><p>If a collector makes it clear they wish to keep it a secret, including initials even if well known, I do my best to NOT name them. (E.g., BCD has specifically signaled a desire for his coll. to remain such.) But it can be hard to determine intentions:</p><p><br /></p><p>Many people I'm sure know who G.M.R.H. is; he has used his first/last name on sales of his "inventory," but coins from his collection seem to be "initials only" (as GMRH's coins are recorded in the provenance notes on BCD's tags, a common place for collectors to encounter them, <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/bcd-coins-whats-included.281007/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/bcd-coins-whats-included.281007/">discussed in CT 281007</a>, BCD choosing not to disclose the name there either), so I'll leave it that way. But wouldn't you want to see your name alongside the following:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1453682[/ATTACH]</p><blockquote><p><font size="4">Ex Fedor Ivanovich (Theodor) Prowe (1872-1932) Collection;</font></p><p><font size="4">Brüder Egger Auktion XLVI (Wien, 11 May 1914), "Sammlung des Herrn Theodor Prowe, Moskau" (Part 3), Lot 596; </font></p><p><font size="4">Jacob Hirsch (1874-1955) Estate (Collection or Inventory?), aqc. by Bank Leu after his death;</font></p><p><font size="4">Bank Leu, February 1980, private sale from Alan S. Walker (per coll. tag);</font></p><p><font size="4">G.M.R.H. Collection (<b><u>REDACTED!</u></b>);</font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>On other occasions, collectors leave enough hints that it seems they don't really mind being recognized. For some, I've been able to use context to develop hypotheses about who is behind the name.</p><p><br /></p><p>For instance, this little Orontas AE10 struck at Mysia, Adramytteion from the Sammlung eines Geschichtsfreundes ("Friend of History Collection") sold by Künker, and previously Winzer 16.5 plate coin (though misdescribed there as Sphinx and a great unpublished unicum ["<i>Unikum von grösster Seltenheit</i>" p. 44]):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1453661[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>There are many others about which I'm curious -- I do not wish to "out" anyone who doesn't want to be "outted," but if the names behind these collections become public I'd definitely like to know!</p><p><br /></p><p>"Crescent Collection":</p><blockquote><p>sold at CNG e-auctions beginning in 2021 at e-483 with Greek, moving on to RRC and some RPC in e-485 & 486, then RIC in 493, 503, and 509.</p></blockquote><p>[ATTACH]1453690[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1453691[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1453692[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>"Rocky Mountain Collection of Alexandrian":</p><blockquote><p>Alexandrian Coins (Roman Egypt); dispersed at CNG beginning in 2020 with Auction 115 (no summary in catalog) and e-Auction 474, more significant runs in 484 and 503-506 (one lot in 507, an unacknowledged reappearance after selling in CNG 115). Collection seems to have been built 1990s to 2010s, including important prior collections (Dattari, Staffieri, Wetterstrom, etc.).</p><p><br /></p><p>(Another “Rocky Mountain Collection” includes high end American coins and sold at Stack’s auctions. There is a dealer “Rocky Mountain Coin” (RMC) in Denver. Any relation? “<a href="https://www.rocky.edu/academics/library/library-collections/ancient-coins" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.rocky.edu/academics/library/library-collections/ancient-coins" rel="nofollow">Rocky Mountain College</a>” also has a digitized collection, but I doubt that’s it!)</p></blockquote><p>[ATTACH]1453696[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1453709[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Sammlung Dr. W.R. "Roma Universa":</p><blockquote><p>A vast collection that's been sold in at least 6 parts now (I believe), beginning with Kunker 312 (in 2018). Each part has focused on a different regional subcollection. Collection was “started over 50 years ago” (as of 2018). Includes many coins from colls. of Dieter Klein (such as mine below) and BCD.</p></blockquote><p>[ATTACH]1453716[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 8251144, member: 26430"]Thanks for sharing that! Did he collect other types of coins that he didn't hide and that people [I]were[/I] aware of? He gives a very interesting reason for anonymity that I hadn't previously considered: If dealers know what you collect, they gain a lot of leverage since they'll know how important certain coins are to you. (In bidding, though, it could be an advantage; others, knowing how committed you are and how deep your pockets, might not even try to bid against you.) I'm sure it's especially true at his level of wealth, but also that it's true of ordinary collectors, too. Of course -- the other side -- being a "generalist" collector means you can't be leveraged into paying a lot for a rarity. (Or using a "generalist" collection as a cover so people don't realize how crazy you'll go for, say, the minutest variations on fallen horsemen or "captives" AE3s.) I can't imagine collecting as a solitary pursuit for that long. Of course, now he's made it public and he'll be permanently remembered (or for a long time, anyway) in the numismatic world, and it's become a very public social activity. If accurate, it's true dedication: [B]"PSEUDONYMITY": [/B] I have a number of pseudonymous collections like that, for which I'm always wondering about the sources. If a collector makes it clear they wish to keep it a secret, including initials even if well known, I do my best to NOT name them. (E.g., BCD has specifically signaled a desire for his coll. to remain such.) But it can be hard to determine intentions: Many people I'm sure know who G.M.R.H. is; he has used his first/last name on sales of his "inventory," but coins from his collection seem to be "initials only" (as GMRH's coins are recorded in the provenance notes on BCD's tags, a common place for collectors to encounter them, [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/bcd-coins-whats-included.281007/']discussed in CT 281007[/URL], BCD choosing not to disclose the name there either), so I'll leave it that way. But wouldn't you want to see your name alongside the following: [ATTACH=full]1453682[/ATTACH] [INDENT][SIZE=4]Ex Fedor Ivanovich (Theodor) Prowe (1872-1932) Collection; Brüder Egger Auktion XLVI (Wien, 11 May 1914), "Sammlung des Herrn Theodor Prowe, Moskau" (Part 3), Lot 596; Jacob Hirsch (1874-1955) Estate (Collection or Inventory?), aqc. by Bank Leu after his death; Bank Leu, February 1980, private sale from Alan S. Walker (per coll. tag); G.M.R.H. Collection ([B][U]REDACTED![/U][/B]);[/SIZE][/INDENT] On other occasions, collectors leave enough hints that it seems they don't really mind being recognized. For some, I've been able to use context to develop hypotheses about who is behind the name. For instance, this little Orontas AE10 struck at Mysia, Adramytteion from the Sammlung eines Geschichtsfreundes ("Friend of History Collection") sold by Künker, and previously Winzer 16.5 plate coin (though misdescribed there as Sphinx and a great unpublished unicum ["[I]Unikum von grösster Seltenheit[/I]" p. 44]): [ATTACH=full]1453661[/ATTACH] There are many others about which I'm curious -- I do not wish to "out" anyone who doesn't want to be "outted," but if the names behind these collections become public I'd definitely like to know! "Crescent Collection": [INDENT]sold at CNG e-auctions beginning in 2021 at e-483 with Greek, moving on to RRC and some RPC in e-485 & 486, then RIC in 493, 503, and 509.[/INDENT] [ATTACH]1453690[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1453691[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1453692[/ATTACH] "Rocky Mountain Collection of Alexandrian": [INDENT]Alexandrian Coins (Roman Egypt); dispersed at CNG beginning in 2020 with Auction 115 (no summary in catalog) and e-Auction 474, more significant runs in 484 and 503-506 (one lot in 507, an unacknowledged reappearance after selling in CNG 115). Collection seems to have been built 1990s to 2010s, including important prior collections (Dattari, Staffieri, Wetterstrom, etc.). (Another “Rocky Mountain Collection” includes high end American coins and sold at Stack’s auctions. There is a dealer “Rocky Mountain Coin” (RMC) in Denver. Any relation? “[URL='https://www.rocky.edu/academics/library/library-collections/ancient-coins']Rocky Mountain College[/URL]” also has a digitized collection, but I doubt that’s it!)[/INDENT] [ATTACH]1453696[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1453709[/ATTACH] Sammlung Dr. W.R. "Roma Universa": [INDENT]A vast collection that's been sold in at least 6 parts now (I believe), beginning with Kunker 312 (in 2018). Each part has focused on a different regional subcollection. Collection was “started over 50 years ago” (as of 2018). Includes many coins from colls. of Dieter Klein (such as mine below) and BCD.[/INDENT] [ATTACH]1453716[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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