Type B Washington Quarters

Yes ! Definitely when enlarged. Thank you.

 

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Ok, trying the pops this way..PCGS pops first...MS60-MS67 (though NO date has any MS examples graded MS60 or MS61, nor are there any dates with examples graded higher than MS67):

'56: MS64-14, MS65-8, MS66-3 (Total graded-38)
'57: MS63-4, MS64-28, MS65-40, MS66-28, MS67-8 (Total graded-138)
'58: MS62-8, MS63-69, MS64-119, MS65-52, MS66-5 (Total graded-259)
'59: MS62-1, MS63-7, MS64-70, MS65-54, MS66-5 (Total graded-150)
'60: MS63-37, MS64-111, MS65-36, MS66-9 (Total graded-198)
'61: MS62-1, MS63-5, MS64-22, MS65-15, MS66-2 (Total graded-55)
'62: MS63-4, MS64-16, MS65-9, MS66-1, MS67-1 (Total graded-45)
'63: MS62-7, MS63-91, MS64-123, MS65-17, MS66-6 (Total graded-264)
'64: MS63-17, MS64-52, MS65-17, MS66-1 (Total graded-104)

ANACS pops.....again, only giving the MS pops (ANACS HAS graded several dates MS60 & MS61, BUT none higher than MS66):

'56: MS60-3, MS62-2, MS63-2, MS64-4 (Total graded-11)
'57: MS60-3, MS61-1, MS62-6, MS63-7, MS64-34, MS65-3,
MS66-1 (Total graded-138)
'58: MS60-4, MS61-2, MS62-2, MS63-32, MS64-35, MS65-11
(Total graded-88)
'59: MS60-2, MS61-1, MS62-5, MS63-10, MS64-22, MS65-5
(Total graded-47)
'60: MS60-4, MS61-1, MS62-2, MS63-2, MS64-40, MS65-12,
MS66-2 (Total graded-82)
'61: MS60-4, MS62-2, MS63-5, MS64-14, MS65-2 (Total graded-33)
'62: MS61-1, MS63-9, MS64-10 (Total graded-45)
'63: MS60-2, MS61-1, MS62-6, MS63-10, MS64-19, MS65-4
(Total graded-48)
'64: MS60-3, MS61-2, MS62-6, MS63-16, MS64-20, MS65-15
MS66-1 (Total graded-77)

To be certain, populations in the ANACS report are lower, as there have been crossover attempts from those in ANACS holders to PCGS (myself, perhaps 4 or 5). These pops are both current.

ICG also recognizes this variety, but honestly, who really uses them? They've been the 'teet' on the bull for years.

 

I assume NGC will start noting the "B" types soon enough then. That should help bring attention to them in the market even more.

Your a wealth of knowledge and it's appreciated.

 

NotSure,

How do the die polish lines factor into the grading of these?

 

very nice info, I'll be checking my quarters shortly.

 

WashQuartJesse....the variety is very strictly graded to begin with. Die polish lines aren't (or don't seem to be) used 'against' the grade, per se, as non-variety Washingtons are (in my experience). Though, strike IS important, so it would have to be on a coin by coin basis. If you have a specific coin (with an image), I could give a better answer to your question. I only say this because a certain example could have die polish lines, and still have a strong strike, yet another example from the same dies could have a much weaker strike, and the die polish lines could theoretically become a glaringly negative factor. Again, in my experience, each coin (as with all series, with all coins) is judged on it's own merits, and as with all coins, a great strike speaks volumes, where a weak strike pretty much better have cleaner fields, as it needs all the help it can get, should it have a weak strike. If there is a particular coin in question, you could post (or PM me) an image of it, and I could be more specific on a particular example.

 

As an aside, Duke's assumption that NGC will be grading them soon, I don't think will happen (if it does, it better happen SOON). Those coins that are in NGC slabs, as well as in unattributed PCGS plastic, are being 'picked' every chance available. The NGC graded coins are usually receiving a 1 point downgrade. At least those coins that are in unattributed PCGS plastic can't get downgraded. I believe this boat has left the NGC dock already. With most coins fetching more $$ in PCGS plastic in general, I could only see those that prefer their coins in NGC plastic RE-crossing them, IF NGC began to attribute this variety (and quite literally, they'd have to start that tomorrow). NGC MIGHT be able to get SOME submissions IF they charged less than PCGS charges for attribution. It costs at LEAST $42 at PCGS ($14 for the attribution), depending on the service level. IF you had a '56 and a lock MS65, you are looking at $54 due to the coins value being over $300. Personally, I think they should have jumped when PCGS did, as they let it slip right through their hands.

 

I do see your point as even if NGC included them in their registry sets, NGC accepts PCGS's so people would still not need to cross back over to NGC for that.

 

Folks, while the Type B (Proof Reverse) on the 56-64 Washington quarters are certainly a sought after prize, lets not forget the true rarities in this series.

Specifically, the Type B Reverse on 1969-D through 1972-D Clad quarters. Given the attrition rate for clad quarters and the fact that clad quarters were poo-pooed from the git go, finding one of these will prove extremely difficult and financially rewarding! The only TPG which will attribute these is ANACS since PCGS will not attribute ANY new/old variety which is not in the CPG. New/Old meaning the variety has been known about for many years yet it appears new to the collecting community.

As for the Type B's in 56-64? Folks are really searching for these and I expect their true scarcities will come out in the next 3 to 5 years since my experience has shown that once one of these brings some big auction returns, folks start checking their hoards and submit what they find.

At one time, the 1964 was considered the big rarity and it commanded some very decent premiums. However, the PCGS populations took a big jump which then affected the prices.

As Notsure pointed out, the 1956, 1962, and 1961 currently have the low pops. But that could change very rapidly.

I've picked and puchased a good deal of these coins but the one coin which has proven the most difficult for me is the 1962.

I've yet to see a clad Type B though.

 

NotSure, thanks again for your knowledge. I picked another 62 the other day and its fields are filled with die polish lines under magnification. Most of the type b's I have are... and I was curious if this is the nature of the coin, and as such (assuming it is), how this works into the grading. I will try to get around to getting pics up here.

 

WashQuartJesse, it's a pleasure to give any help I can. However, even though I learned from THE man on these (19Lyds knows who I am referring to), 19Lyds has more knowledge with these than I could hope to have.

He is also VERY correct in regard to the 1969-D through 1972-D clad Type B's. I have not found one yet, and I have gone through a number of rolls of these clads. If you think the '56 -'64 Type B's are tough (which they definitely are), then I guess that would put the clad Type B's in the 'rare' category (especially in MS).

 

Thanks 19Lyds and Notsure, your help is greatly appreicated.

So how many do you think are known for the 69 to 72's?
And are the diagnostic's the same for these?

 

while I appreciate the cudo's, I am by no means THE man. That privilege belongs to Herb Hicks who has dedicated a good portion of his collecting career to finding business strike coins made with Proof Dies. The 1972 Type 2 IKE immediately springs to mind.
Herb is active on the PCGS Forums under the handle ProofArtworkonCircs and has provided several informative threads regarding these coins. http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=659907&highlight_key=y&keyword1=Type%20B

Here's one from dlmtorts who was lucky enough to find a couple of clad B's: http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=719664&highlight_key=y

As for me? I just like to share information as I learn it myself and the Type B's prove to be a confusing attribution. Especially since the Cherry Picker's guide screwed up the photo's!

 

I think I remember the photos being mixed up in Bowers' guide to Wash. Quarters also.

Thanks for all the info everyone and for giving me something to do tonight!

 

WashQuartJesse, good luck in your search and keep us posted on what you might find, though these clads are SO scarce, it's scary. SHOULD you find one, in ANY condition, consider it a major victory.

 

Holy Moley! I got one!

This is unbelievable . . . I'm so new at collecting some stuff that I didn't even _have_ a 1962 quarter. So I picked up one on eBay, it was advertised as Gem BU, and I got it for 4.99 ppd. I was thinking I probably overpaid, as the auction didn't even have a pic of the reverse.

It came this weekend. It was really shiny -- so much so that I wondered if it had been dipped. Nevertheless, on Sunday I stuck it into my Dansco.

Now, today, I read this thread.

I go back to my Dansco tonight wondering about this thread . . . and, lo and behold, that 1962-P is a Type B!

So, umm . . . now what???

 

Sholom....it all depends on how BU it is (also, if it's REALLY 'shiny', are you sure it's an MS coin, and not a proof?). '62 is the second toughest date, behind the '56. IF it is an MS65 or better, I'd submit it, but you have to be pretty confident (not to mention accurate) in your grading abilities. My Dansco has the '56-P through '64-P holes filled with Type B's, MS63-MS65. If you've got an image of it, I'd love to see it. For $4.99, you did well for a BU '62 Type B.

 

Yikes . . . confident and accurate in my grading? Not!! I don't _think_ it's proof (it's not mirror-like at all).

I'll try to scan it tonight (I have a cheap scanner) . . . but generally, my scanner does an awful job of scanning coins that have mint luster -- the light reflects too much.

In the meantime . . . this is an amazing example of how a little education can go a long way!!

 

I finished checking my quarters and found a 59 in XF/AU that is a type B. So I went to a shop and sifted through all his MS quarters and cherry picked three 1958 Type B quarters for about $6 each.

 

I must have been hiding under some Yap Islands Rai, because I haven't heard of this variety until now.

I've got a beautiful roll of gem 1958 quarters at home. I'm gonna have to give it the once-over tonight.