Two uncertain, seemingly scarce greek coins.

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by AdamsCollection, Dec 1, 2019.

  1. AdamsCollection

    AdamsCollection Well-Known Member

    Hey everyone! I just purchased these two coins, as unidentified greeks. They peaked my interest pretty fast, they are super tiny about 10mm and 1-1.5grams (don't have specific measurements yet)
    Also apologies for the blurry images, its the best I can do.
    They came in a pack of four, a Thrace Corinthian helmet and meta wheel, and a 'female and cup' as well, now these two seemed like the odd ones out.

    The first one I believe to be from Abdera, Thrace IMG_3254.jpg IMG_3255.jpg

    I Have this one pegged down to, as stated above:
    Abdera, Thrace ca 425-352 BC
    Obv:Griffin sitting left raising foreleg
    Rev: Quartered square with four pellets

    I can't find much online about this coin, wild winds only had a coin that looked -similar- but not exact. Either way I feel this is a particularly scarce coin.

    Now the next coin, took much longer to figure out, this one I believe to be VERY scarce.


    IMG_3252.jpg IMG_3253.jpg

    This I have pegged to:
    Kephallenia, Island off Ellis, Civic Issue
    430-370 BC
    Obv: Head of Hermes left wearing petsasos.
    Rev: Letters of ethnic to left and right of large caduceus
    Ref:plant 2303; Weber Coll 4102


    This is a good example of the coin as it was listed on v coins.

    https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/in..._kerykeion_caduceus_rare/1041220/Default.aspx

    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=376799
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=407279
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4645407

    You guys think I got them right?
     
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  3. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I think you nailed the second one. I don't see a griffin on your first coin--possibly a better photo might make it easier to see--but if you see it in hand, then Abdera is the most likely origin.
     
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  4. AdamsCollection

    AdamsCollection Well-Known Member

    I definitley see the vague outline of a small griffin, you can kind of see it on the photo, just the torso and wing? But it’s certainly worn
     
  5. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure about the first but the second one is definitely Phokaia Ionia:

    Obv: Head of Hermes left, wearing petatos
    Rev: Monogram of Phokaia (ΦΩ) in the form of a caduceus

    Similar to this 11mm example:

    Phokaia for CT.jpg
     
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2019
  6. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I can see the Griffin, it is low down on the coin.
     
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  7. AdamsCollection

    AdamsCollection Well-Known Member

    Yea, right at the bottom
     
  8. lehmansterms

    lehmansterms Many view intelligence as a hideous deformity

    It's really hard to make out the engraver's intent on the obverse of your Abdera piece, perhaps, like this one, it is only the forepart of the griffon?
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    http://old.stoa.org/gallery/album177/C_15_ThraceAbdera1?full=1
    Note that the obverse needs to be rotated ~ 45º counter-clockwise to be in proper alignment.
     
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  9. gsimonel

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  10. AdamsCollection

    AdamsCollection Well-Known Member

    These small coins can be hard sometimes!!
     
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