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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 8237527, member: 26430"]Does anything in my new Titus group look familiar to anyone (beside [USER=74968]@Orfew[/USER] who's already aware that I got these!)? Illustrated below with many of the collector tags and notes which came along with them. (For auction photos click thumbnails underneath.)</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1449435[/ATTACH]</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>CNG Triton XXV (Online Session 6, 11 Jan 2022), 6953 </b>(<a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9040336" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9040336" rel="nofollow">ACSearch record</a>)</p><p>[ATTACH]1449437[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1449436[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>When I saw the auction photo I knew exactly what these coins were – one of them especially so: the denarius from the Jyrki Muona Collection (M40) that was cut for Butcher & Ponting’s major study on early Roman Imperial Silver coins (it was published in their 2014 book, <i>Metallurgy of Roman Silver Coinage, from the Reform of Nero to the Reforms of Trajan</i>).</p><p><br /></p><p>The coin also appears in their <a href="https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archives/view/coins_lt_2005/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archives/view/coins_lt_2005/" rel="nofollow">database housed at the UK Archaeology Data Service website</a>, including the metallurgical summary and “before” photo (same for the Otho [M16] below).</p><p><br /></p><p>"Titus M40 After": [ATTACH]1449440[/ATTACH] "Titus M40 Before": [ATTACH]1449441[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Cross-sections published in Butcher & Ponting:</p><p>[ATTACH]1449442[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I knew of it because I already own another cut coin from that study – an Otho denarius (M16) also from Muona’s collection.</p><p><br /></p><p>"Otho M16 After":[ATTACH]1449443[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>For the three others, CNG provided zero provenance but I knew orfew had posted them to CT (some of them also other places, including his blog and academia.edu page), so I was able to read a great deal of his research and others’ comments about the coins, and track the provenance at least to where he bought them (sometimes further from from the previous sellers' catalogs).</p><p><br /></p><p>I also much enjoyed finding that another was a “plate coin” (Figure 3) in his essay and posts about “Flyspecking the denarii of Domitian's first year as Augustus,” available on <a href="https://brocku.academia.edu/AndrewShort" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://brocku.academia.edu/AndrewShort" rel="nofollow">his Academia page</a>, a <a href="https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/single-post/2019/05/04/titus-ar-denarius-80-ce-january-1-june-30" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/single-post/2019/05/04/titus-ar-denarius-80-ce-january-1-june-30" rel="nofollow">blog entry</a>, and <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/flyspecking-the-coins-of-domitian-and-a-new-addition.331256/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/flyspecking-the-coins-of-domitian-and-a-new-addition.331256/">another cointalk thread</a> (20 Jan 2019, which also includes an <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/posts/3317531/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/posts/3317531/">excellent set of photos</a> of [USER=13719]@randygeki[/USER] 's Antioch Fallen Horsemen!).</p><p>[ATTACH]1449445[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I was also thrilled about the “two-captives and trophy” denarius since, as I’ve posted here before (<a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/captives-trophy-8-or-9-examples-from-julius-caesar-to-constantine-others-if-you-have-them.374729/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/captives-trophy-8-or-9-examples-from-julius-caesar-to-constantine-others-if-you-have-them.374729/">CT 374729 “Captives & Trophy … from Julius Caesar to Constantine”</a> [Feb 3 2021]), Roman captives & barbarians coinage is one of my favorite collecting areas (alongside the “modern history of ancient coins”).</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1449446[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>It has particularly detailed captives and trophy elements, which may help to answer the old question of whether it was a Judaea Capta issue. The previous owner, Israeli antiquities collector Shlomo Moussaief, thought so, though others have claimed otherwise.</p><p><br /></p><p>Oh, and, of course, the left facing Titus with his elephant celebrating the Colosseum / Games! (With the original CGB photo.)</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1449449[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>(A) RIC 116</b> = Elephant, ex-<a href="https://www.cgbfr.com/titus-denier-tb,brm_631939,a.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cgbfr.com/titus-denier-tb,brm_631939,a.html" rel="nofollow">CGB brm_631939</a> (purchased 10 Feb 2021).</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-placeholder-coin.375002/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-placeholder-coin.375002/">Cointalk 375002: "A Placeholder Coin"</a> (8 Feb 2021).</p><p><br /></p><p><b>(B) RIC 103</b> = Judaea Capta (?) Captives/Trophy = Ex Sammlung Shlomo Moussaieff (1925-2015; purchased London 1948-2000), <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5746412" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5746412" rel="nofollow">Gorny und Mosch Auction 263</a> (7 March 2019), Lot 3615.</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/rare-titus-denarius.334573/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/rare-titus-denarius.334573/">Cointalk 334573 "Rare Titus Denarius"</a> (7 Mar 2019).</p><p><br /></p><p><b>(C) RIC 108:</b> Ex <a href="https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=4046&lot=511" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=4046&lot=511" rel="nofollow">HJB 212 Lot 511 (part)</a>, Ex <a href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/marc_breitsprecher_classical_numismatist/8/product/titus_ad_7981_ar_denarius__from_a_published_study/1458668/Default.aspx" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/marc_breitsprecher_classical_numismatist/8/product/titus_ad_7981_ar_denarius__from_a_published_study/1458668/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">Marc Breitsprecher May 2021</a>, Jyrki Muona Collection, Butcher & Ponting p. 356 (M40).</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/interesting-published-coin.381233/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/interesting-published-coin.381233/">Cointalk 381233 "Interesting Published Coin"</a> (26 May 2021).</p><p><br /></p><p><b>(D): RIC 124A</b> = ex <a href="https://www.elsen.eu/List-288-Lot-Navigator/emodule/3794/egallery/0/epage/15" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.elsen.eu/List-288-Lot-Navigator/emodule/3794/egallery/0/epage/15" rel="nofollow">Jean Elsen List 288</a> Lot <a href="https://www.elsen.eu/List-288-Lot-Navigator/emodule/3794/eitem/88612" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.elsen.eu/List-288-Lot-Navigator/emodule/3794/eitem/88612" rel="nofollow">No. 149</a> (purchased 18 April 2019).</p><p>Figure 3 in Andrew Short’s essay, “<a href="https://www.academia.edu/45653875/Flyspecking_the_denarii_of_Domitians_first_year_as_Augustus" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/45653875/Flyspecking_the_denarii_of_Domitians_first_year_as_Augustus" rel="nofollow">Flyspecking the denarii of Domitian's first year as Augustus</a>” (see also Note 8). <a href="https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/domitian-paper" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/domitian-paper" rel="nofollow">Paper also on blog</a>. See also <a href="https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/single-post/2019/05/04/titus-ar-denarius-80-ce-january-1-june-30" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/single-post/2019/05/04/titus-ar-denarius-80-ce-january-1-june-30" rel="nofollow">coin's blog entry</a>.</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/an-interesting-titus-time-to-count-palmettes.337327/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/an-interesting-titus-time-to-count-palmettes.337327/">Cointalk 337327 "An Interesting Titus - Time to Count Palmettes"</a> (19 April 2019).[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 8237527, member: 26430"]Does anything in my new Titus group look familiar to anyone (beside [USER=74968]@Orfew[/USER] who's already aware that I got these!)? Illustrated below with many of the collector tags and notes which came along with them. (For auction photos click thumbnails underneath.) [ATTACH=full]1449435[/ATTACH] [B] CNG Triton XXV (Online Session 6, 11 Jan 2022), 6953 [/B]([URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9040336']ACSearch record[/URL]) [ATTACH]1449437[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1449436[/ATTACH] When I saw the auction photo I knew exactly what these coins were – one of them especially so: the denarius from the Jyrki Muona Collection (M40) that was cut for Butcher & Ponting’s major study on early Roman Imperial Silver coins (it was published in their 2014 book, [I]Metallurgy of Roman Silver Coinage, from the Reform of Nero to the Reforms of Trajan[/I]). The coin also appears in their [URL='https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archives/view/coins_lt_2005/']database housed at the UK Archaeology Data Service website[/URL], including the metallurgical summary and “before” photo (same for the Otho [M16] below). "Titus M40 After": [ATTACH]1449440[/ATTACH] "Titus M40 Before": [ATTACH]1449441[/ATTACH] Cross-sections published in Butcher & Ponting: [ATTACH]1449442[/ATTACH] I knew of it because I already own another cut coin from that study – an Otho denarius (M16) also from Muona’s collection. "Otho M16 After":[ATTACH]1449443[/ATTACH] For the three others, CNG provided zero provenance but I knew orfew had posted them to CT (some of them also other places, including his blog and academia.edu page), so I was able to read a great deal of his research and others’ comments about the coins, and track the provenance at least to where he bought them (sometimes further from from the previous sellers' catalogs). I also much enjoyed finding that another was a “plate coin” (Figure 3) in his essay and posts about “Flyspecking the denarii of Domitian's first year as Augustus,” available on [URL='https://brocku.academia.edu/AndrewShort']his Academia page[/URL], a [URL='https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/single-post/2019/05/04/titus-ar-denarius-80-ce-january-1-june-30']blog entry[/URL], and [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/flyspecking-the-coins-of-domitian-and-a-new-addition.331256/']another cointalk thread[/URL] (20 Jan 2019, which also includes an [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/posts/3317531/']excellent set of photos[/URL] of [USER=13719]@randygeki[/USER] 's Antioch Fallen Horsemen!). [ATTACH]1449445[/ATTACH] I was also thrilled about the “two-captives and trophy” denarius since, as I’ve posted here before ([URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/captives-trophy-8-or-9-examples-from-julius-caesar-to-constantine-others-if-you-have-them.374729/']CT 374729 “Captives & Trophy … from Julius Caesar to Constantine”[/URL] [Feb 3 2021]), Roman captives & barbarians coinage is one of my favorite collecting areas (alongside the “modern history of ancient coins”). [ATTACH=full]1449446[/ATTACH] It has particularly detailed captives and trophy elements, which may help to answer the old question of whether it was a Judaea Capta issue. The previous owner, Israeli antiquities collector Shlomo Moussaief, thought so, though others have claimed otherwise. Oh, and, of course, the left facing Titus with his elephant celebrating the Colosseum / Games! (With the original CGB photo.) [ATTACH=full]1449449[/ATTACH] [B](A) RIC 116[/B] = Elephant, ex-[URL='https://www.cgbfr.com/titus-denier-tb,brm_631939,a.html']CGB brm_631939[/URL] (purchased 10 Feb 2021). [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-placeholder-coin.375002/']Cointalk 375002: "A Placeholder Coin"[/URL] (8 Feb 2021). [B](B) RIC 103[/B] = Judaea Capta (?) Captives/Trophy = Ex Sammlung Shlomo Moussaieff (1925-2015; purchased London 1948-2000), [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5746412']Gorny und Mosch Auction 263[/URL] (7 March 2019), Lot 3615. [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/rare-titus-denarius.334573/']Cointalk 334573 "Rare Titus Denarius"[/URL] (7 Mar 2019). [B](C) RIC 108:[/B] Ex [URL='https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=4046&lot=511']HJB 212 Lot 511 (part)[/URL], Ex [URL='https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/marc_breitsprecher_classical_numismatist/8/product/titus_ad_7981_ar_denarius__from_a_published_study/1458668/Default.aspx']Marc Breitsprecher May 2021[/URL], Jyrki Muona Collection, Butcher & Ponting p. 356 (M40). [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/interesting-published-coin.381233/']Cointalk 381233 "Interesting Published Coin"[/URL] (26 May 2021). [B](D): RIC 124A[/B] = ex [URL='https://www.elsen.eu/List-288-Lot-Navigator/emodule/3794/egallery/0/epage/15']Jean Elsen List 288[/URL] Lot [URL='https://www.elsen.eu/List-288-Lot-Navigator/emodule/3794/eitem/88612']No. 149[/URL] (purchased 18 April 2019). Figure 3 in Andrew Short’s essay, “[URL='https://www.academia.edu/45653875/Flyspecking_the_denarii_of_Domitians_first_year_as_Augustus']Flyspecking the denarii of Domitian's first year as Augustus[/URL]” (see also Note 8). [URL='https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/domitian-paper']Paper also on blog[/URL]. See also [URL='https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/single-post/2019/05/04/titus-ar-denarius-80-ce-january-1-june-30']coin's blog entry[/URL]. [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/an-interesting-titus-time-to-count-palmettes.337327/']Cointalk 337327 "An Interesting Titus - Time to Count Palmettes"[/URL] (19 April 2019).[/QUOTE]
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