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<p>[QUOTE="Ryan McVay, post: 7309696, member: 117904"]I would say yes it is a match. You can't duplicate a club and</p><p><br /></p><p>While I agree that there is a definitive difference in the spacing between the club and lettering on the reverse die that cannot be the judge of whether the reverses are die-matches. THere are two things I found when I attempt to layout precise geometry on these two coins. 1)</p><p><br /></p><p>While agree there is a difference in the spacing between the club handle and the lettering as shown I think that might be explainable. I think maybe that part of the die was repaired or retooled. I say this because you can't actually compare these two coins just from that single element. I compared the spacing and location of the nubs from the base tip of the club. They are identical. The base shows the same depth marks too. Next, the lettering spacing is spot on. Even the distance between the A and T. It's the club handle that is larger and slightly wider- remember this is engraved in the die- so you have to remove material to make it larger and longer!</p><p><br /></p><p>The legend lettering is absolutely identical. The border dots align as well..but that may be a bit subjective because you are at an angle and the die is slightly worn. But these, to me appear spot on..dot per dot around the rim.</p><p><br /></p><p>OK, why some slight differences in the rest of the elements. Here's my hypothesis. Besides the repair to the club in the die, you have different strike angles.</p><p><br /></p><p>I noticed that there is actually a die angle difference between the two coins. One is much more off of a 90 angle to the plane of the flan than the other. See image.</p><p><br /></p><p>So we have a slightly modified die between the two but I think they are the same die- just a bit different. This might also be caused by the author of the images slightly scaling one of the images and it "warps" it out of round. That's an option too.[ATTACH=full]1277909[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The portraits while almost identical- and to be honest, I don't know how they could have done this- do have the differences. The main difference is the top of the heads. But I will say, the nose angle, the triangle between the tip of the chin to the center of the ear to the center of the eye are spot on. The garland ties are spot on. The neck is spot on. The CTOC is spot on. FYI, I also had to adjust the horizontal factor a bit to get the circular beading to match. Once you do that the image will adjust slightly. The image below shows both coins stacked the top has one die 40% and the bottom reverses the image stack and the bottom image, which is now on top is set to 40% transparent. I wish I could show you how sliding the transparency scale around really shows how identical these are.[ATTACH=full]1277917[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ryan McVay, post: 7309696, member: 117904"]I would say yes it is a match. You can't duplicate a club and While I agree that there is a definitive difference in the spacing between the club and lettering on the reverse die that cannot be the judge of whether the reverses are die-matches. THere are two things I found when I attempt to layout precise geometry on these two coins. 1) While agree there is a difference in the spacing between the club handle and the lettering as shown I think that might be explainable. I think maybe that part of the die was repaired or retooled. I say this because you can't actually compare these two coins just from that single element. I compared the spacing and location of the nubs from the base tip of the club. They are identical. The base shows the same depth marks too. Next, the lettering spacing is spot on. Even the distance between the A and T. It's the club handle that is larger and slightly wider- remember this is engraved in the die- so you have to remove material to make it larger and longer! The legend lettering is absolutely identical. The border dots align as well..but that may be a bit subjective because you are at an angle and the die is slightly worn. But these, to me appear spot on..dot per dot around the rim. OK, why some slight differences in the rest of the elements. Here's my hypothesis. Besides the repair to the club in the die, you have different strike angles. I noticed that there is actually a die angle difference between the two coins. One is much more off of a 90 angle to the plane of the flan than the other. See image. So we have a slightly modified die between the two but I think they are the same die- just a bit different. This might also be caused by the author of the images slightly scaling one of the images and it "warps" it out of round. That's an option too.[ATTACH=full]1277909[/ATTACH] The portraits while almost identical- and to be honest, I don't know how they could have done this- do have the differences. The main difference is the top of the heads. But I will say, the nose angle, the triangle between the tip of the chin to the center of the ear to the center of the eye are spot on. The garland ties are spot on. The neck is spot on. The CTOC is spot on. FYI, I also had to adjust the horizontal factor a bit to get the circular beading to match. Once you do that the image will adjust slightly. The image below shows both coins stacked the top has one die 40% and the bottom reverses the image stack and the bottom image, which is now on top is set to 40% transparent. I wish I could show you how sliding the transparency scale around really shows how identical these are.[ATTACH=full]1277917[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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