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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1041970, member: 19463"]I find this most interesting and a common opinion. Te 'sand' patina is something people seem to love or to hate. I know some otherwise reasonable folks that simply refuse to have any coins like this while others of us like the contrast. Maybe that is why they have a million of these things for sale. I mentioned that the two coins cost within 50 cents of each other. I'll now add a third coin but this one cost $2 more than the others (up to $19.58 postpaid on eBay). This one is large like the Gallus above and also has the more scarce seated horsemen but is rated common by RIC. It has the more common ruler Constantius II but is from the Lugdunum mint (Lyons) which is a mite more popular. The coin is in pretty good condition but has been fully stripped of any patina and retoned to look like a 70 year old penny rather than a 1700 year old ancient. All ancients have been cleaned to some degree and this one has not been raped in the process but I'd have to know what it looked like before to say what I wish had been done. The style is very nice with higher relief and what appears to be a displaced belt with possible stirrups on the rear of the horse. I love coins that show stirrups but that is another post altogether. Behind the horse is what some people call a palm but I believe was intended to be the horse's tail. I have never seen a cap on a horseman quite that hooked but Lugdunum had a distinctive style and that might be why some collectors prefer its coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>I apologize for making the same point over and over but beginners need not rush out and buy just any old coin. These three falling horsemen all sold this month on eBay for within $2 of each other. They were not the only choices. You can pick and choose what you want. Of the three, I like this last one best despite the excessive cleaning. You can differ. What you can't have is these three coins. No problem, I'll bet the next few weeks will bring to market a dozen more including a few as nice or nicer than these. That is the beauty of collecting 'common' ancients. Of course there will be more 1909S VDB cents sold next month than all falling horsemen versions (but none for $20) so 'common' is a relative term. Enjoy the hobby.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1041970, member: 19463"]I find this most interesting and a common opinion. Te 'sand' patina is something people seem to love or to hate. I know some otherwise reasonable folks that simply refuse to have any coins like this while others of us like the contrast. Maybe that is why they have a million of these things for sale. I mentioned that the two coins cost within 50 cents of each other. I'll now add a third coin but this one cost $2 more than the others (up to $19.58 postpaid on eBay). This one is large like the Gallus above and also has the more scarce seated horsemen but is rated common by RIC. It has the more common ruler Constantius II but is from the Lugdunum mint (Lyons) which is a mite more popular. The coin is in pretty good condition but has been fully stripped of any patina and retoned to look like a 70 year old penny rather than a 1700 year old ancient. All ancients have been cleaned to some degree and this one has not been raped in the process but I'd have to know what it looked like before to say what I wish had been done. The style is very nice with higher relief and what appears to be a displaced belt with possible stirrups on the rear of the horse. I love coins that show stirrups but that is another post altogether. Behind the horse is what some people call a palm but I believe was intended to be the horse's tail. I have never seen a cap on a horseman quite that hooked but Lugdunum had a distinctive style and that might be why some collectors prefer its coins. I apologize for making the same point over and over but beginners need not rush out and buy just any old coin. These three falling horsemen all sold this month on eBay for within $2 of each other. They were not the only choices. You can pick and choose what you want. Of the three, I like this last one best despite the excessive cleaning. You can differ. What you can't have is these three coins. No problem, I'll bet the next few weeks will bring to market a dozen more including a few as nice or nicer than these. That is the beauty of collecting 'common' ancients. Of course there will be more 1909S VDB cents sold next month than all falling horsemen versions (but none for $20) so 'common' is a relative term. Enjoy the hobby.[/QUOTE]
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