Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Ancient Coins
>
Two Gallienus Animal Reverses that are NOT part of his "Zoo Series"
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4963086, member: 110350"]In the nearly nine months since I joined CT, there have been several threads about the Gallienus "Zoo Series," most comprehensively in [USER=91461]@Ryro[/USER]'s thread at <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/gallienus-wants-you-to-help-build-the-ct-zoo.361207/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/gallienus-wants-you-to-help-build-the-ct-zoo.361207/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/gallienus-wants-you-to-help-build-the-ct-zoo.361207/</a> -- where I posted my own seven occupants of the Zoo a couple of weeks ago. (See cointalk.com/threads/gallienus-wants-you-to-help-build-the-ct-zoo.361207/page-3#post-4947836.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I've just received a couple of Gallienus coins that have animal reverses but are <u>not</u> part of the Zoo Series. In fact, they both preceded that series, which came late in Gallienus's reign. Unlike the Zoo Series, which was minted in Rome, one of these new coins was minted in Antioch and the other in Mediolanum (Milan). One is part of a small stand-alone group of coins, all with the same animal, and the other is part of a different series of animal-reverse coins -- known as the Legionary Series -- which has fewer different animals than the Zoo Series. (Although it has more different types, largely because of obverse variations: RSC lists more than 100!) For whatever reason, coins in the legionary series appear to be much scarcer than coins in the Zoo Series, and, therefore, tend to cost more.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are the two coins, in reverse chronological order, accompanied by some rather lengthy notes based on some research I felt inspired to do. So, apologies in advance for the overall length of this post.</p><p><br /></p><p>1. Gallienus, Billon Antoninianus, 264-265 AD, Antioch Mint, 11th emission (Göbl).* Obv. Radiate head left, GALLIENVS AVG / Rev. Lion walking left, bucranium [bull’s head] in front of paws, P M TR P XIII; in exergue, CVIPP [CVI = COS VI], palm branch left below. RIC V-1 602 <i>var. obv</i>. [bust draped & cuirassed] & <i>rev</i>. [lion radiate]; RSC IV 847 <i>var. rev</i>. [lion radiate]; Sear RCV III 10327 <i>var. rev</i>. [lion radiate]; Göbl MIR [<i>Moneta Imperii Romani</i>] Band 36, No. 1622 [see <a href="http://www258.pair.com/denarius/coinage.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www258.pair.com/denarius/coinage.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www258.pair.com/denarius/coinage.htm</a>, <i>Coinage of Gallienus and Family</i>, with Göbl numbers, descriptions, & images for Gallienus coins]. 21 mm., 4.05 g., 12 h.**</p><p><br /></p><p>The dealer's photos:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1192964[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The dealer's photos are so desaturated that I thought at first they were black-and-white. I'm sure these are no better as photos, but I think they give a better idea of the color:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1192965[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1192967[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[I really hope the green spots on the reverse -- which I would never have noticed with a naked eye -- aren't signs of bronze disease. They don't appear to be powdery, but perhaps I should soak the coin in distilled water anyway.]</p><p><br /></p><p>Footnotes:</p><p><br /></p><p>*See Euston, Charles, <i>Gallienus to Antioch ? A new PROFECTIO type of antoninianus from the mint at Antioch</i>, <i>A.D. 264</i>, in <i>Bulletin du cercle d’études numismatiques</i> [BCEN] 52/2 (2015), at p. 2: “Göbl’s 11th emission begins with another lion reverse; lion (not radiate), left with a bull’s head between its paws (MIR 1622). This reverse is also dated, but to Gallienus’ 13th tribunician power (TRP XIII). Interestingly, this type straddles both the 12th and the 11th emissions as it exists both with and without the palm frond as exergual marker. This mark in the exergue is, in fact, the primary indicator of the 11th emission.”</p><p><br /></p><p>**See Manders, Erika (2012), <i>Coining Images of Power: Patterns in the Representation of Roman Emperors on Imperial Coinage, A.D. 193–284. Impact of Empire (Roman Empire, c. 200 B.C.–A.D. 476)</i>, at pp. 296-297 [portions available on Google Books], stating that “[f]our coin types [of Gallienus] [NB: in fact, there were more than four] bear a legend consisting of standard imperial titalature and show a lion with a bull’s head between his paws or a radiate lion (sometimes with a bull’s head between his paws. . . . These types might refer to the victories of Odaenathus [of Palmyra], Rome’s ally, gained over the Persians, probably in 262-263 and 267. This hypothesis is strengthened by the thirteenth Sybilline Oracle’s description of the Persians as ‘venom spitting beasts’ who have been destroyed by Odaenathus, the ‘sun-sent, dreadful, fearful lion, breathing much fire.’” Other authorities have expressed skepticism regarding this interpretation. See, e.g., Woods, David (2018). "From Caracalla to Carausius: The Radiate Lion with Thunderbolt in its Jaws". <i>British Numismatic Journal. British Numismatic Society.</i></p><p><br /></p><p>And now the second coin:</p><p><br /></p><p>2. Gallienus (son of Valerian I), Billon Antoninianus, 258 AD [RIC] or 260-261 AD [Sear], Mediolanum [Milan] Mint, Legionary Issue. Obv. Radiate and cuirassed bust right, GALLIENVS AVG / Rev. Bull advancing right, bellowing with head raised and mouth open, LEG VIII AVG [<i>Augusta</i>] VI P [<i>Pia</i>] VI F [<i>Fidelis</i>]. RIC V-1 353j [joint reign] (p. 95), RSC IV 522, Sear RCV III 10268, Göbl MIR [<i>Moneta Imperii Romani</i>] Band 36, No. 1009h. 18 mm., 2.49 g.*</p><p><br /></p><p>The dealer's photos -- reverse first, because it represents 99% of the value of the coin to me in every sense, although the surface of the obverse doesn't actually look nearly as terrible in hand as in the photo!</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1192972[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1192973[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Only one giant footnote this time:</p><p><br /></p><p>*A bull was the emblem of Leg. VIII Augusta, based in Strasbourg, France (then Argentoratum in Gaul) -- just as the animals or other figures shown on the reverses of the other coins of the Gallienus legionary series served as the emblems or badges of those legions. See Jones, John Melville, <i>A Dictionary of Ancient Roman Coins</i> (London, Seaby, 1999) at p. 166 [entry for Legio]); RIC V-1 at p. 34. See also the list of the legions and their emblems depicted in the legionary series, at <a href="http://www258.pair.com/denarius/cgi-bin/erfind.pl?sstring=legio+milan" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www258.pair.com/denarius/cgi-bin/erfind.pl?sstring=legio+milan" rel="nofollow">http://www258.pair.com/denarius/cgi-bin/erfind.pl?sstring=legio+milan</a>. Note that if this theory is correct, then several animals served as the emblem of more than one legion -- e.g., the bull for three legions [VII, VIII, and X].</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The general consensus is that the P and F stood for <i>Pia Fidelis. See</i> Jones, John Melville, <i>A Dictionary of Ancient Roman Coins</i> (London, Seaby, 1999) at p. 166 [entry for Legio] (“the correct explanation seems to be that the legions were being commended for the virtues of piety and fidelity”). Note that “P F” can also stand for <i>Pius Felix </i>(see RIC V-1 at p. 32)<i>, </i>but that term is usually associated with the emperor himself, and “faithfulness” seems a more appropriate appellation for the legions than “happiness.”</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>There is also controversy about the meaning of the Roman numeral VI preceding both the P and the F in the reverse legend (as well as concerning the meaning, in various other examples of the legionary series, of the numerals V or VII instead of VI preceding P and F). In RIC V-1 at p. 34, Harold Mattingly cites the work of Sir Charles Oman supporting the theory that the Roman numerals refer to the regnal years of Gallienus’s joint reign with his father in which the coins were issued -- i.e., years V-VII, or 157-159 AD -- despite the fact that “the obverse inscription is usually GALLIENVS AVG, a form of legend which does not generally appear until 260.” According to Mattingly, Oman “conclusively points out that Gallienus would, at no date after 259, have celebrated the piety and loyalty of the Rhine legions [such as Leg. VIII Augusta itself, based at Strasbourg, then Argentoratum], which had assisted the rebel Postumus to overthrow his authority in Gaul and to slay his son” (Saloninus). Jones agrees, stating in his <i>Dictionary</i> at p. 166 that “the numbers indicated the years of the emperor’s reign.”</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>However, the more recent authorities seem to disagree. See Sear RCV III at p. 293, stating that the legionary series of Gallienus “was issued early in his sole reign [<i>i.e</i>., after Valerian I’s capture by the Persians in 260] at Milan, the base of the recently established field army commanded by Aureolus. The units honoured were the Praetorian Cohort and the seventeen legions which had furnished detachments for the field army. The numerals ‘VI’ and ‘VII’ appearing in the reverse legends may refer to the victories achieved by Aureolus over the usurpers Ingenuus and Regalian.” See also <a href="https://www.beastcoins.com/RomanImperial/V-I/Gallienus/Gallienus.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.beastcoins.com/RomanImperial/V-I/Gallienus/Gallienus.htm" rel="nofollow">https://www.beastcoins.com/RomanImperial/V-I/Gallienus/Gallienus.htm</a> (“In 260, following the defeats of the revolts, Gallienus produced Antoniniani at Milan, honoring his different legions. Each legion or cohort is featured through the legionary badge on the reverse, along with the victory number and P F for Pia Fidelis. One coin type was issued for each of the three battles in which the unit participated. Victory V was against the Alemanni, VI was against Ingenuus and VII was against Regalianus.”) Neither Sear nor Beast Coins provides any source for the theory that the three Roman numerals can be tied to specific victories. Nor do they address Oman’s argument that Gallienus would not have honored and praised the Rhine legions after the usurpation of Postumus in the summer of 260.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>At <a href="https://www.livius.org/articles/legion/legio-viii-augusta/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.livius.org/articles/legion/legio-viii-augusta/" rel="nofollow">https://www.livius.org/articles/legion/legio-viii-augusta/</a> , in the article on Legion VIII Augusta, named on this coin (as well as in other articles about other legions), the author implicitly rejects both the view that the Roman numerals V, VI, and VII represent regnal years, and the view that they refer to specific victories, asserting instead that legends such as “VI Pia VI Fidelis” simply honor the legion for having been “six [or five, or seven, depending upon the coin] times faithful, six times loyal”:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>“Between 250 and 260, however, Baden-Württemberg was seized by the Alamanni. This time, the Romans were unable to strike back and they gave up the country between Danube and Rhine. However, VIII Augusta still defended the Rhine frontier. In the conflict between the emperors Gallienus (of Italy) and Postumus (of Gaul), the legion seems to have supported the former, and it received honorific titles like V, VI, VII Pia fidelis (five times, six times, and seven times faithful and loyal). Yet, it seems certain that Postumus controlled Germania Superior, so we are left with a minor problem.”</p><p><br /></p><p>In short, there is no definitive answer to the questions of precisely what the V, VI, or VII on these coins signify, and when the coins were issued.</p><p><br /></p><p>Please post your Gallienus animal-reverse coins that are not part of the Zoo Series.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4963086, member: 110350"]In the nearly nine months since I joined CT, there have been several threads about the Gallienus "Zoo Series," most comprehensively in [USER=91461]@Ryro[/USER]'s thread at [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/gallienus-wants-you-to-help-build-the-ct-zoo.361207/[/URL] -- where I posted my own seven occupants of the Zoo a couple of weeks ago. (See cointalk.com/threads/gallienus-wants-you-to-help-build-the-ct-zoo.361207/page-3#post-4947836.) I've just received a couple of Gallienus coins that have animal reverses but are [U]not[/U] part of the Zoo Series. In fact, they both preceded that series, which came late in Gallienus's reign. Unlike the Zoo Series, which was minted in Rome, one of these new coins was minted in Antioch and the other in Mediolanum (Milan). One is part of a small stand-alone group of coins, all with the same animal, and the other is part of a different series of animal-reverse coins -- known as the Legionary Series -- which has fewer different animals than the Zoo Series. (Although it has more different types, largely because of obverse variations: RSC lists more than 100!) For whatever reason, coins in the legionary series appear to be much scarcer than coins in the Zoo Series, and, therefore, tend to cost more. Here are the two coins, in reverse chronological order, accompanied by some rather lengthy notes based on some research I felt inspired to do. So, apologies in advance for the overall length of this post. 1. Gallienus, Billon Antoninianus, 264-265 AD, Antioch Mint, 11th emission (Göbl).* Obv. Radiate head left, GALLIENVS AVG / Rev. Lion walking left, bucranium [bull’s head] in front of paws, P M TR P XIII; in exergue, CVIPP [CVI = COS VI], palm branch left below. RIC V-1 602 [I]var. obv[/I]. [bust draped & cuirassed] & [I]rev[/I]. [lion radiate]; RSC IV 847 [I]var. rev[/I]. [lion radiate]; Sear RCV III 10327 [I]var. rev[/I]. [lion radiate]; Göbl MIR [[I]Moneta Imperii Romani[/I]] Band 36, No. 1622 [see [URL]http://www258.pair.com/denarius/coinage.htm[/URL], [I]Coinage of Gallienus and Family[/I], with Göbl numbers, descriptions, & images for Gallienus coins]. 21 mm., 4.05 g., 12 h.** The dealer's photos: [ATTACH=full]1192964[/ATTACH] The dealer's photos are so desaturated that I thought at first they were black-and-white. I'm sure these are no better as photos, but I think they give a better idea of the color: [ATTACH=full]1192965[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1192967[/ATTACH] [I really hope the green spots on the reverse -- which I would never have noticed with a naked eye -- aren't signs of bronze disease. They don't appear to be powdery, but perhaps I should soak the coin in distilled water anyway.] Footnotes: *See Euston, Charles, [I]Gallienus to Antioch ? A new PROFECTIO type of antoninianus from the mint at Antioch[/I], [I]A.D. 264[/I], in [I]Bulletin du cercle d’études numismatiques[/I] [BCEN] 52/2 (2015), at p. 2: “Göbl’s 11th emission begins with another lion reverse; lion (not radiate), left with a bull’s head between its paws (MIR 1622). This reverse is also dated, but to Gallienus’ 13th tribunician power (TRP XIII). Interestingly, this type straddles both the 12th and the 11th emissions as it exists both with and without the palm frond as exergual marker. This mark in the exergue is, in fact, the primary indicator of the 11th emission.” **See Manders, Erika (2012), [I]Coining Images of Power: Patterns in the Representation of Roman Emperors on Imperial Coinage, A.D. 193–284. Impact of Empire (Roman Empire, c. 200 B.C.–A.D. 476)[/I], at pp. 296-297 [portions available on Google Books], stating that “[f]our coin types [of Gallienus] [NB: in fact, there were more than four] bear a legend consisting of standard imperial titalature and show a lion with a bull’s head between his paws or a radiate lion (sometimes with a bull’s head between his paws. . . . These types might refer to the victories of Odaenathus [of Palmyra], Rome’s ally, gained over the Persians, probably in 262-263 and 267. This hypothesis is strengthened by the thirteenth Sybilline Oracle’s description of the Persians as ‘venom spitting beasts’ who have been destroyed by Odaenathus, the ‘sun-sent, dreadful, fearful lion, breathing much fire.’” Other authorities have expressed skepticism regarding this interpretation. See, e.g., Woods, David (2018). "From Caracalla to Carausius: The Radiate Lion with Thunderbolt in its Jaws". [I]British Numismatic Journal. British Numismatic Society.[/I] And now the second coin: 2. Gallienus (son of Valerian I), Billon Antoninianus, 258 AD [RIC] or 260-261 AD [Sear], Mediolanum [Milan] Mint, Legionary Issue. Obv. Radiate and cuirassed bust right, GALLIENVS AVG / Rev. Bull advancing right, bellowing with head raised and mouth open, LEG VIII AVG [[I]Augusta[/I]] VI P [[I]Pia[/I]] VI F [[I]Fidelis[/I]]. RIC V-1 353j [joint reign] (p. 95), RSC IV 522, Sear RCV III 10268, Göbl MIR [[I]Moneta Imperii Romani[/I]] Band 36, No. 1009h. 18 mm., 2.49 g.* The dealer's photos -- reverse first, because it represents 99% of the value of the coin to me in every sense, although the surface of the obverse doesn't actually look nearly as terrible in hand as in the photo! [ATTACH=full]1192972[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1192973[/ATTACH] Only one giant footnote this time: *A bull was the emblem of Leg. VIII Augusta, based in Strasbourg, France (then Argentoratum in Gaul) -- just as the animals or other figures shown on the reverses of the other coins of the Gallienus legionary series served as the emblems or badges of those legions. See Jones, John Melville, [I]A Dictionary of Ancient Roman Coins[/I] (London, Seaby, 1999) at p. 166 [entry for Legio]); RIC V-1 at p. 34. See also the list of the legions and their emblems depicted in the legionary series, at [URL]http://www258.pair.com/denarius/cgi-bin/erfind.pl?sstring=legio+milan[/URL]. Note that if this theory is correct, then several animals served as the emblem of more than one legion -- e.g., the bull for three legions [VII, VIII, and X]. The general consensus is that the P and F stood for [I]Pia Fidelis. See[/I] Jones, John Melville, [I]A Dictionary of Ancient Roman Coins[/I] (London, Seaby, 1999) at p. 166 [entry for Legio] (“the correct explanation seems to be that the legions were being commended for the virtues of piety and fidelity”). Note that “P F” can also stand for [I]Pius Felix [/I](see RIC V-1 at p. 32)[I], [/I]but that term is usually associated with the emperor himself, and “faithfulness” seems a more appropriate appellation for the legions than “happiness.” There is also controversy about the meaning of the Roman numeral VI preceding both the P and the F in the reverse legend (as well as concerning the meaning, in various other examples of the legionary series, of the numerals V or VII instead of VI preceding P and F). In RIC V-1 at p. 34, Harold Mattingly cites the work of Sir Charles Oman supporting the theory that the Roman numerals refer to the regnal years of Gallienus’s joint reign with his father in which the coins were issued -- i.e., years V-VII, or 157-159 AD -- despite the fact that “the obverse inscription is usually GALLIENVS AVG, a form of legend which does not generally appear until 260.” According to Mattingly, Oman “conclusively points out that Gallienus would, at no date after 259, have celebrated the piety and loyalty of the Rhine legions [such as Leg. VIII Augusta itself, based at Strasbourg, then Argentoratum], which had assisted the rebel Postumus to overthrow his authority in Gaul and to slay his son” (Saloninus). Jones agrees, stating in his [I]Dictionary[/I] at p. 166 that “the numbers indicated the years of the emperor’s reign.” However, the more recent authorities seem to disagree. See Sear RCV III at p. 293, stating that the legionary series of Gallienus “was issued early in his sole reign [[I]i.e[/I]., after Valerian I’s capture by the Persians in 260] at Milan, the base of the recently established field army commanded by Aureolus. The units honoured were the Praetorian Cohort and the seventeen legions which had furnished detachments for the field army. The numerals ‘VI’ and ‘VII’ appearing in the reverse legends may refer to the victories achieved by Aureolus over the usurpers Ingenuus and Regalian.” See also [URL]https://www.beastcoins.com/RomanImperial/V-I/Gallienus/Gallienus.htm[/URL] (“In 260, following the defeats of the revolts, Gallienus produced Antoniniani at Milan, honoring his different legions. Each legion or cohort is featured through the legionary badge on the reverse, along with the victory number and P F for Pia Fidelis. One coin type was issued for each of the three battles in which the unit participated. Victory V was against the Alemanni, VI was against Ingenuus and VII was against Regalianus.”) Neither Sear nor Beast Coins provides any source for the theory that the three Roman numerals can be tied to specific victories. Nor do they address Oman’s argument that Gallienus would not have honored and praised the Rhine legions after the usurpation of Postumus in the summer of 260. At [URL]https://www.livius.org/articles/legion/legio-viii-augusta/[/URL] , in the article on Legion VIII Augusta, named on this coin (as well as in other articles about other legions), the author implicitly rejects both the view that the Roman numerals V, VI, and VII represent regnal years, and the view that they refer to specific victories, asserting instead that legends such as “VI Pia VI Fidelis” simply honor the legion for having been “six [or five, or seven, depending upon the coin] times faithful, six times loyal”: “Between 250 and 260, however, Baden-Württemberg was seized by the Alamanni. This time, the Romans were unable to strike back and they gave up the country between Danube and Rhine. However, VIII Augusta still defended the Rhine frontier. In the conflict between the emperors Gallienus (of Italy) and Postumus (of Gaul), the legion seems to have supported the former, and it received honorific titles like V, VI, VII Pia fidelis (five times, six times, and seven times faithful and loyal). Yet, it seems certain that Postumus controlled Germania Superior, so we are left with a minor problem.” In short, there is no definitive answer to the questions of precisely what the V, VI, or VII on these coins signify, and when the coins were issued. Please post your Gallienus animal-reverse coins that are not part of the Zoo Series.[/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Ancient Coins
>
Two Gallienus Animal Reverses that are NOT part of his "Zoo Series"
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...