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<p>[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 4364548, member: 93416"]Many thanks [USER=96898]@Orielensis[/USER] – in case of interest - I will explain the background to my question. I am looking at the etymology of the word Troy (and cognates) as regards weight standards. There are two rival possibilities</p><p><br /></p><p>1) That the Troy weight standard was the standard thought (in the 14th century) to have anciently arrived in Britain from Troy with King Brutus, the idea deriving from popular readings of ‘Historia Regum Britanniae’.</p><p><br /></p><p>2) That “Troy” derives from the standard of weight used at the medieval fair at Troyes in Champagne.</p><p><br /></p><p>OED prefers 2), but if you look at the metrological matter scientifically, it does not work well.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, yesterday, I decided to look see if there were parallel popular histories about Trojan origins in Continental Europe. And it was like being hit by a ten ton truck. Frankish sources never stop talking about their Trojan roots. I was rather surprised I got so late in life without being aware of it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a second question, in case anyone has thoughts. Its about an intriguing suggestion made by Marie Tanner in her “The Last Descendants of Aeneas” (quite generous chunks of it free on google books, including page 21). There she links two matters</p><p><br /></p><p>A) Virgil spreading imperial propaganda of Augustus, tracing the Julian line back to Jupiter via Trojans.</p><p><br /></p><p>B) a new (to the Romans) zodiacal constellation of Libra being created specifically in honour of Augustus</p><p><br /></p><p>As far as I can tell, A) is correct and B) is plausible - but so far the idea of then going on to somehow link the star sign Libra to the Trojans seems unique to Tanner.</p><p><br /></p><p>Given my support for 1) above, obviously I would be very interested to hear of any other texts notionally linking these two matters A) and B). (but stuff I so far read on the judgement of Paris etc seems a bit strained)</p><p><br /></p><p>Rob T[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 4364548, member: 93416"]Many thanks [USER=96898]@Orielensis[/USER] – in case of interest - I will explain the background to my question. I am looking at the etymology of the word Troy (and cognates) as regards weight standards. There are two rival possibilities 1) That the Troy weight standard was the standard thought (in the 14th century) to have anciently arrived in Britain from Troy with King Brutus, the idea deriving from popular readings of ‘Historia Regum Britanniae’. 2) That “Troy” derives from the standard of weight used at the medieval fair at Troyes in Champagne. OED prefers 2), but if you look at the metrological matter scientifically, it does not work well. So, yesterday, I decided to look see if there were parallel popular histories about Trojan origins in Continental Europe. And it was like being hit by a ten ton truck. Frankish sources never stop talking about their Trojan roots. I was rather surprised I got so late in life without being aware of it. Here is a second question, in case anyone has thoughts. Its about an intriguing suggestion made by Marie Tanner in her “The Last Descendants of Aeneas” (quite generous chunks of it free on google books, including page 21). There she links two matters A) Virgil spreading imperial propaganda of Augustus, tracing the Julian line back to Jupiter via Trojans. B) a new (to the Romans) zodiacal constellation of Libra being created specifically in honour of Augustus As far as I can tell, A) is correct and B) is plausible - but so far the idea of then going on to somehow link the star sign Libra to the Trojans seems unique to Tanner. Given my support for 1) above, obviously I would be very interested to hear of any other texts notionally linking these two matters A) and B). (but stuff I so far read on the judgement of Paris etc seems a bit strained) Rob T[/QUOTE]
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