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<p>[QUOTE="Clinker, post: 1130688, member: 6229"]<b><font size="4"><span style="color: red">Thaler Coinage of the Pre Empire German States - Chapter 10</span></font></b></p><p> </p><p>As you know there once were over 1,800 Free German States in existence, but only 38 survived into the era of the German Empire (1871-1908). Together we looked at the Mark coinage of those 38 Free States. Then we began systematically looking at the Thaler coinage of the Free German States in existence prior to the formation of the German Empire. Our system lists the aid of the alphabet and we have come to our 10th pre empire German State which is listed under the letter <b>B</b> for Bamberg.</p><p> </p><p>To see the location of Bamberg on the map just click the following link and scroll to third photo:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamberg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamberg" rel="nofollow"><b>MAP SHOWING LOCATION OF THE FREE GERMAN STATE OF BAMBERG</b></a></p><p> </p><p>The first Coin you will see is one of the first Reichsthalers authorized by Bamberg. It features Johann Gerorg II who ruled Bamberg from 1623 to early 1633 (a mere 10 years). Numismatic scholars believe it was issued in 1629. All following photo llinks courtesy of Coin Archives unless note otherwise:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942000&AucID=698&Lot=4054&Val=bff00239ce79d0f32d5606a83217b643" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942000&AucID=698&Lot=4054&Val=bff00239ce79d0f32d5606a83217b643" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1629 SILVER REICHSTHALER</b></a></p><p> </p><p>When this Reichsthaler was minted in 1691 Bamberg was governed by Marquad Sebastian Schenk von Stauffenburg from 1683-1693 (also a mere 10 years):</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942001&AucID=698&Lot=4055&Val=7a7d9cd5503c76f5bcab018b73aa982a" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942001&AucID=698&Lot=4055&Val=7a7d9cd5503c76f5bcab018b73aa982a" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1691 SILVER REICHSTHALER</b></a></p><p> </p><p>Here's am even shorter term of leadership (less than a full year). Sedisvankanz came to power in 1693 and died before the year ended. Take a look at this beautiful 1693 Reichsthaler:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942002&AucID=698&Lot=4056&Val=23fed343a723f2def4bb8b6ec10fa7a0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942002&AucID=698&Lot=4056&Val=23fed343a723f2def4bb8b6ec10fa7a0" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1693 SILVER REICHSTHALER</b></a></p><p> </p><p>Saints preserve us! A namesake (unknown by him) with one of those five word monster titles (Johann Philipp Anton von Frankenstein) reigned over Bamberg from 1746-1753 during which time this 1750 Reichsthaler was issued:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942003&AucID=698&Lot=4057&Val=a579856e4b3bb629331e73b61543ea1f" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942003&AucID=698&Lot=4057&Val=a579856e4b3bb629331e73b61543ea1f" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1750 SILVER REICHSTHALER - JOHANN PHILIPP ANTON VON FRANKENSTEIN</b></a></p><p> </p><p> Franz Ludwig von Erthal was leader of Bamberg from 1779-1795 when this Konventionsthaler was made in Erthal's last year of leadership (1795):</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942004&AucID=698&Lot=4058&Val=2ad599353b45f6c861c1e12b45113071" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942004&AucID=698&Lot=4058&Val=2ad599353b45f6c861c1e12b45113071" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1795 SILVER KONVENTIONSTHALER - FRANZ LUDWIG VON ERTHAL</b></a></p><p> </p><p>For seven years Christoph Franz von Buseck ruled Bamberg when, in 1800, this Konventionsthaler was struck:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942005&AucID=698&Lot=4059&Val=d52cd8deadac72316caf35b0278d5ee3" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942005&AucID=698&Lot=4059&Val=d52cd8deadac72316caf35b0278d5ee3" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1800 SILVER KONVENTIONSTHALER - CHRISTOPH FRANZ VON BUSECK</b></a></p><p> </p><p>This is a coin you may not know exists. It, too, was minted in 1800 but is a fractional (1/2) silver Konventionsthaler:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=932889&AucID=692&Lot=1407&Val=fed73ad2fd1e76ae1f7b261c10f11204" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=932889&AucID=692&Lot=1407&Val=fed73ad2fd1e76ae1f7b261c10f11204" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1800 SILVER 1/2 KONVENTIONSTHALER - CHRISTOPH FRANZ VON BUSECK</b></a></p><p> </p><p>Finally we (you and I) can see a gold Dukat that was minted in Bamberg as a trade currency during the governing years of Lothar Franz von Schönborn (1693-1729):</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=931682&AucID=690&Lot=1196&Val=672cfc70e7f545c384b3c0ab330bc577" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=931682&AucID=690&Lot=1196&Val=672cfc70e7f545c384b3c0ab330bc577" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1697 GOLD DUKAT - LOTHAR FRANZ VON SCHONBORN</b></a></p><p> </p><p>Another gold coin issued under the governship of Lothar Franz von Schönborn, but this one was struck in 1696 and is valued at 2 dukaten:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=889150&AucID=656&Lot=6658&Val=2559ba0277ebf991f385482b168ca843" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=889150&AucID=656&Lot=6658&Val=2559ba0277ebf991f385482b168ca843" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1696 GOLD 2 DUKATEN - LOTHAR FRANZ VON SCHONBORN</b></a></p><p> </p><p>Lothar Franz von Schönborn died during 1729, but saw this 1729 Groschen minted just before his demise:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911712&AucID=672&Lot=114&Val=42b671d203e603328891b14e003d6b65" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911712&AucID=672&Lot=114&Val=42b671d203e603328891b14e003d6b65" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1729 SILVER GROSCHEN - LOTHAR FRANZ VON SCHOENBORN</b></a></p><p> </p><p>Not only does the Thaler coinage of Bamberg include Thalers, Reichsthalers, Konventionsthalers and Groschen, Kreuzer were coin of the Free State as evidenced by this 2 1/2 Kreuzer issued while Bamberg was governed by Adam Friedrich von Seinsheim (1757-1770). It was struck in 1766:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911713&AucID=672&Lot=115&Val=f24ab188f74f7bded29e1332c0075c59" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911713&AucID=672&Lot=115&Val=f24ab188f74f7bded29e1332c0075c59" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1766 2 1/2 KREUZER - ADAM FRIEDRICH VON SEINSHEIM</b></a></p><p> </p><p>Here's another Kreuzer denominated at 20 Kreuzer which was produced in 1800 during the leadership of Christoph Franz von Buseck (1795-1802)</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911715&AucID=672&Lot=117&Val=16eba09425268ab9c33c905d1a6c2b6a" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911715&AucID=672&Lot=117&Val=16eba09425268ab9c33c905d1a6c2b6a" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1800 SILVER 20 KREUZER - CHRISTOPH FRANZ VON BUSECK</b></a></p><p> </p><p>Didn't see any Bamberg Thalers yet? Here's one dated 1657, the fourth year of Philipp Valentin Veit von Rieneck's leadership: </p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=932886&AucID=692&Lot=1404&Val=1a3d6d5cffef9637181cd7c5b3613c88" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=932886&AucID=692&Lot=1404&Val=1a3d6d5cffef9637181cd7c5b3613c88" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1657 SILVER THALER - PHILIPP VALENTIN VEIT VON RIENECK</b></a></p><p> </p><p>Here's one dated 1795 (last year of Erthal's reign): </p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911714&AucID=672&Lot=116&Val=59a81cf43ea8724f759e19a97d035a60" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911714&AucID=672&Lot=116&Val=59a81cf43ea8724f759e19a97d035a60" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1795 SILVER THALER - FRANZ LUDWIG VON ERTHAL</b></a></p><p> </p><p> Here's another Thaler which was produced 5 years later (1800) during the leadership of Christoph Franz von Buseck (1795-1802):</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911716&AucID=672&Lot=118&Val=2c155024d8597f6cd797f688c6efcb4d" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911716&AucID=672&Lot=118&Val=2c155024d8597f6cd797f688c6efcb4d" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1800 SILVER THALER- CHRISTOPH FRANZ VON BUSECK</b></a></p><p> </p><p>Are you ready to see what a gold Dukat minted in 1637 looks like?</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=932885&AucID=692&Lot=1403&Val=01ef5add453be2d273abaa603ee00362" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=932885&AucID=692&Lot=1403&Val=01ef5add453be2d273abaa603ee00362" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1637 GOLD DUKAT - FRANZ VON HATZFELD</b></a> </p><p>Here's another gold Dukat made a year later:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=913564&AucID=672&Lot=1966&Val=799453da4ac51fc23a1339314f696492" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=913564&AucID=672&Lot=1966&Val=799453da4ac51fc23a1339314f696492" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1638 GOLD DUKAT - FRANZ VON HATZFELD</b></a></p><p> </p><p>Here's a 1647 gold Dukat struck under the leadership of Prince Bishop Melchior Otto von Salzburg (1642-1653) which bears the Prince Bishop on its obverse:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=918639&AucID=676&Lot=4144&Val=6127c4c26430c46e1aa01d9dbcf374df" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=918639&AucID=676&Lot=4144&Val=6127c4c26430c46e1aa01d9dbcf374df" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1647 GOLD DUJAT - PRINCE BISHOP MELCHIOR OTTO VON SALZBURG</b></a></p><p> </p><p>We end this posting of Bamberg's Thaler coinage with this copper Heller produced in 1786, the eighth year of Erthal's leadership:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=879525&AucID=650&Lot=3006&Val=96506c42b137290a82bb7f322993b83f" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=879525&AucID=650&Lot=3006&Val=96506c42b137290a82bb7f322993b83f" rel="nofollow"><b>BAMBERG 1786 COPPER HELLER - FRANZ LUDWIG VON ERTHAL</b></a></p><p><br /></p><p>Did you enjoy this Chapter?</p><p><br /></p><p>To be continued...</p><p><br /></p><p>Clinker[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Clinker, post: 1130688, member: 6229"][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=red]Thaler Coinage of the Pre Empire German States - Chapter 10[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] As you know there once were over 1,800 Free German States in existence, but only 38 survived into the era of the German Empire (1871-1908). Together we looked at the Mark coinage of those 38 Free States. Then we began systematically looking at the Thaler coinage of the Free German States in existence prior to the formation of the German Empire. Our system lists the aid of the alphabet and we have come to our 10th pre empire German State which is listed under the letter [B]B[/B] for Bamberg. To see the location of Bamberg on the map just click the following link and scroll to third photo: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamberg"][B]MAP SHOWING LOCATION OF THE FREE GERMAN STATE OF BAMBERG[/B][/URL] The first Coin you will see is one of the first Reichsthalers authorized by Bamberg. It features Johann Gerorg II who ruled Bamberg from 1623 to early 1633 (a mere 10 years). Numismatic scholars believe it was issued in 1629. All following photo llinks courtesy of Coin Archives unless note otherwise: [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942000&AucID=698&Lot=4054&Val=bff00239ce79d0f32d5606a83217b643"][B]BAMBERG 1629 SILVER REICHSTHALER[/B][/URL] When this Reichsthaler was minted in 1691 Bamberg was governed by Marquad Sebastian Schenk von Stauffenburg from 1683-1693 (also a mere 10 years): [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942001&AucID=698&Lot=4055&Val=7a7d9cd5503c76f5bcab018b73aa982a"][B]BAMBERG 1691 SILVER REICHSTHALER[/B][/URL] Here's am even shorter term of leadership (less than a full year). Sedisvankanz came to power in 1693 and died before the year ended. Take a look at this beautiful 1693 Reichsthaler: [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942002&AucID=698&Lot=4056&Val=23fed343a723f2def4bb8b6ec10fa7a0"][B]BAMBERG 1693 SILVER REICHSTHALER[/B][/URL] Saints preserve us! A namesake (unknown by him) with one of those five word monster titles (Johann Philipp Anton von Frankenstein) reigned over Bamberg from 1746-1753 during which time this 1750 Reichsthaler was issued: [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942003&AucID=698&Lot=4057&Val=a579856e4b3bb629331e73b61543ea1f"][B]BAMBERG 1750 SILVER REICHSTHALER - JOHANN PHILIPP ANTON VON FRANKENSTEIN[/B][/URL] Franz Ludwig von Erthal was leader of Bamberg from 1779-1795 when this Konventionsthaler was made in Erthal's last year of leadership (1795): [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942004&AucID=698&Lot=4058&Val=2ad599353b45f6c861c1e12b45113071"][B]BAMBERG 1795 SILVER KONVENTIONSTHALER - FRANZ LUDWIG VON ERTHAL[/B][/URL] For seven years Christoph Franz von Buseck ruled Bamberg when, in 1800, this Konventionsthaler was struck: [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942005&AucID=698&Lot=4059&Val=d52cd8deadac72316caf35b0278d5ee3"][B]BAMBERG 1800 SILVER KONVENTIONSTHALER - CHRISTOPH FRANZ VON BUSECK[/B][/URL] This is a coin you may not know exists. It, too, was minted in 1800 but is a fractional (1/2) silver Konventionsthaler: [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=932889&AucID=692&Lot=1407&Val=fed73ad2fd1e76ae1f7b261c10f11204"][B]BAMBERG 1800 SILVER 1/2 KONVENTIONSTHALER - CHRISTOPH FRANZ VON BUSECK[/B][/URL] Finally we (you and I) can see a gold Dukat that was minted in Bamberg as a trade currency during the governing years of Lothar Franz von Schönborn (1693-1729): [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=931682&AucID=690&Lot=1196&Val=672cfc70e7f545c384b3c0ab330bc577"][B]BAMBERG 1697 GOLD DUKAT - LOTHAR FRANZ VON SCHONBORN[/B][/URL] Another gold coin issued under the governship of Lothar Franz von Schönborn, but this one was struck in 1696 and is valued at 2 dukaten: [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=889150&AucID=656&Lot=6658&Val=2559ba0277ebf991f385482b168ca843"][B]BAMBERG 1696 GOLD 2 DUKATEN - LOTHAR FRANZ VON SCHONBORN[/B][/URL] Lothar Franz von Schönborn died during 1729, but saw this 1729 Groschen minted just before his demise: [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911712&AucID=672&Lot=114&Val=42b671d203e603328891b14e003d6b65"][B]BAMBERG 1729 SILVER GROSCHEN - LOTHAR FRANZ VON SCHOENBORN[/B][/URL] Not only does the Thaler coinage of Bamberg include Thalers, Reichsthalers, Konventionsthalers and Groschen, Kreuzer were coin of the Free State as evidenced by this 2 1/2 Kreuzer issued while Bamberg was governed by Adam Friedrich von Seinsheim (1757-1770). It was struck in 1766: [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911713&AucID=672&Lot=115&Val=f24ab188f74f7bded29e1332c0075c59"][B]BAMBERG 1766 2 1/2 KREUZER - ADAM FRIEDRICH VON SEINSHEIM[/B][/URL] Here's another Kreuzer denominated at 20 Kreuzer which was produced in 1800 during the leadership of Christoph Franz von Buseck (1795-1802) [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911715&AucID=672&Lot=117&Val=16eba09425268ab9c33c905d1a6c2b6a"][B]BAMBERG 1800 SILVER 20 KREUZER - CHRISTOPH FRANZ VON BUSECK[/B][/URL] Didn't see any Bamberg Thalers yet? Here's one dated 1657, the fourth year of Philipp Valentin Veit von Rieneck's leadership: [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=932886&AucID=692&Lot=1404&Val=1a3d6d5cffef9637181cd7c5b3613c88"][B]BAMBERG 1657 SILVER THALER - PHILIPP VALENTIN VEIT VON RIENECK[/B][/URL] Here's one dated 1795 (last year of Erthal's reign): [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911714&AucID=672&Lot=116&Val=59a81cf43ea8724f759e19a97d035a60"][B]BAMBERG 1795 SILVER THALER - FRANZ LUDWIG VON ERTHAL[/B][/URL] Here's another Thaler which was produced 5 years later (1800) during the leadership of Christoph Franz von Buseck (1795-1802): [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=911716&AucID=672&Lot=118&Val=2c155024d8597f6cd797f688c6efcb4d"][B]BAMBERG 1800 SILVER THALER- CHRISTOPH FRANZ VON BUSECK[/B][/URL] Are you ready to see what a gold Dukat minted in 1637 looks like? [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=932885&AucID=692&Lot=1403&Val=01ef5add453be2d273abaa603ee00362"][B]BAMBERG 1637 GOLD DUKAT - FRANZ VON HATZFELD[/B][/URL] Here's another gold Dukat made a year later: [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=913564&AucID=672&Lot=1966&Val=799453da4ac51fc23a1339314f696492"][B]BAMBERG 1638 GOLD DUKAT - FRANZ VON HATZFELD[/B][/URL] Here's a 1647 gold Dukat struck under the leadership of Prince Bishop Melchior Otto von Salzburg (1642-1653) which bears the Prince Bishop on its obverse: [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=918639&AucID=676&Lot=4144&Val=6127c4c26430c46e1aa01d9dbcf374df"][B]BAMBERG 1647 GOLD DUJAT - PRINCE BISHOP MELCHIOR OTTO VON SALZBURG[/B][/URL] We end this posting of Bamberg's Thaler coinage with this copper Heller produced in 1786, the eighth year of Erthal's leadership: [URL="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=879525&AucID=650&Lot=3006&Val=96506c42b137290a82bb7f322993b83f"][B]BAMBERG 1786 COPPER HELLER - FRANZ LUDWIG VON ERTHAL[/B][/URL] Did you enjoy this Chapter? To be continued... Clinker[/QUOTE]
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