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<p>[QUOTE="Clinker, post: 498752, member: 6229"]<font size="5"><font size="3">Ah, the often elusive Standing Liberty Quarter. Minted 1916 through 1930 under U.S. Mint director A. M. Joyce.</font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font size="3">As you know, the Standing Liberty Quarter was designed by Hermon Atkins MacNeil. You know his design was submitted as one of many designs in a contest. </font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font size="3">BUT do you know his original winning design was changed shortly after the first patterns were struck?</font></font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p><font size="5"><font size="3">Since uspatterns.com's website equipment won't recognize enlarged photo direct links, I'll be giving very detailed directions, so you can view the discussed coin. You may follow the directions or disregard them.</font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font size="3">As you know, before striking a coin, patterns of the accepted design are struck to see how the finished coin will appear. Four patterns were struck and sent to the Secretary of the Treasury for final approval.</font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font size="3">All four patterns carried the same obverse, but one pattern's reverse was blank, one had the eagle/stars reverse, and the other two bore a laurel branch reverse.</font></font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p><font size="5"><font size="3">Follow these directions and you will see an enlarged photo of the pattern with eagle/stars on reverse. Go to</font></font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p><font size="5"><font size="3"><a href="http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html" rel="nofollow">http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html</a></font></font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p><font size="5"><font size="3">and scroll down to Quarters. Click Quarters. Scroll down to J1989/P2050 and click. Click on photo. Notice that two olive leaves obscure the "L" of LIBERTY on the obverse.</font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font size="3">And here's an altered Pattern: Go to </font></font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p><font size="5"><font size="3"><a href="http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html" rel="nofollow">http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html</a></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font size="3">and scroll down to Quarters. Click Quarters. Scoll to J1988P2048 amd click. Click photo. Notice the "L" is more visible. Also notice no stars on reverse.</font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font size="3">Here's the reason:</font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">According to Stacks' Hayes sale catalog, "This piece has actually had 2 leaves scratched off the coin."</font></font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Stacks mentions that "the coin apparently is the one mentioned in an October 22, 1916 letter addressed to A.M. Joyce, Superintendent of the U.S. Mint" which is excerpted below.</font></font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">"I am returning to you herewith two of the four sample quarters you sent me, one being blank on one side with the reverse design on the other, and the other being your number 4, as submitted in your letter of October 20th."</font></font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">"With one slight alteration, the design as it appears on No. 4 is acceptable. The slight alteration referred to is the elimination of the two leaves in the angle of the letter "L" in the word 'Liberty'. You will notice that I have scratched these two leaves off the coin I am returning to you. With this slight change you may go ahead and make up the dies for the finished coin."</font></font></p><p> </p><p><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Would you like to see the other two patterns that were originally retained by the Treasury Secretary?</font></font></p><p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">They now reside in the Smithsonian. Click <a href="http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html" rel="nofollow">http://uspatterns.com/</a></font><a href="http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html" rel="nofollow"><font face="Times New Roman">photoarchives1.html</font></a><font face="Times New Roman"> and scroll to Quarters. Click J1988P1248. Scroll to fifth paragraph. Click on "here." Scoll until both coins are in full view.</font></font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">So the dies were finally ready for striking 1916 SLQs. The ready-for-striking dies had one other change: Stars replaced the laurel and oak branches on the reverse.</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Before I show you a photo of the finished product I want to remind you about two important aspects of SLQs that greatly increase their value:</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">1). Quality of "strike" and "preservation" of head of liberty on obverse (aka Full head).</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">2) Quality of "strike" and "preservation" of stars on the shield.</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Here's a rare opportunity to view a SLQ that has both, courtesy of Coin Facts:</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3"><a href="http://www.coinfacts.com/quarter_dollars/standing_liberty_quarters/standing_liberty_quarter_dolla.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinfacts.com/quarter_dollars/standing_liberty_quarters/standing_liberty_quarter_dolla.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinfacts.com/quarter_dollars/standing_liberty_quarters/standing_liberty_quarter_dolla.html</a></font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Isn't that a beauty (desireable)?</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">This 1917 is a "Variety 1" specimen (bare breast)</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">A public outcry over the exposed breast brought pressure to change the obverse. MacNeil, himself, was called in to do that. Now, Lady Liberty's a fictional character, so, MacNeil, regarding his design as a work of art, decided to radically change her garb. He'd show all those complainers! He put a chain mail breastplate on Lady Liberty and added three stars beneath the eagle on the reverse. Take a look at this 1917-S "Variety 2":</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3"><a href="http://www.coinfacts.com/quarter_dollars/standing_liberty_quarters/1917s_quarter_dollar_type2.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinfacts.com/quarter_dollars/standing_liberty_quarters/1917s_quarter_dollar_type2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinfacts.com/quarter_dollars/standing_liberty_quarters/1917s_quarter_dollar_type2.htm</a></font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">This design lasted through 1924. Because the dates were raised letters, premature wearing away of the date prompted the mint to recess the date (no other changes were made) on 1925 through 1930 coins.</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Here's an overworn date quarter before 1925:</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SLQ_No_Date.png\" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SLQ_No_Date.png\" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SLQ_No_Date.png\</a></font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Here's a photo of a 1925 courtesy of Coin Page and roundmetal:</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3"><a href="http://www.coinpage.com/coin-image-1264.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinpage.com/coin-image-1264.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinpage.com/coin-image-1264.html</a></font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Thought you'd like to know...</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Clinker - Free Numismatic Fun Website Updated Monthly:</font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3"><a href="http://clinker.bravehost.com/funpage2.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://clinker.bravehost.com/funpage2.html" rel="nofollow">http://clinker.bravehost.com/funpage2.html</a></font></font></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Clinker, post: 498752, member: 6229"][SIZE=5][SIZE=3]Ah, the often elusive Standing Liberty Quarter. Minted 1916 through 1930 under U.S. Mint director A. M. Joyce.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]As you know, the Standing Liberty Quarter was designed by Hermon Atkins MacNeil. You know his design was submitted as one of many designs in a contest. [/SIZE] [SIZE=3]BUT do you know his original winning design was changed shortly after the first patterns were struck?[/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Since uspatterns.com's website equipment won't recognize enlarged photo direct links, I'll be giving very detailed directions, so you can view the discussed coin. You may follow the directions or disregard them.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]As you know, before striking a coin, patterns of the accepted design are struck to see how the finished coin will appear. Four patterns were struck and sent to the Secretary of the Treasury for final approval.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]All four patterns carried the same obverse, but one pattern's reverse was blank, one had the eagle/stars reverse, and the other two bore a laurel branch reverse.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Follow these directions and you will see an enlarged photo of the pattern with eagle/stars on reverse. Go to[/SIZE] [SIZE=3][URL]http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html[/URL][/SIZE] [SIZE=3]and scroll down to Quarters. Click Quarters. Scroll down to J1989/P2050 and click. Click on photo. Notice that two olive leaves obscure the "L" of LIBERTY on the obverse.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]And here's an altered Pattern: Go to [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][URL]http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html[/URL][/SIZE] [SIZE=3]and scroll down to Quarters. Click Quarters. Scoll to J1988P2048 amd click. Click photo. Notice the "L" is more visible. Also notice no stars on reverse.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Here's the reason:[/SIZE] [/SIZE][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]According to Stacks' Hayes sale catalog, "This piece has actually had 2 leaves scratched off the coin."[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Stacks mentions that "the coin apparently is the one mentioned in an October 22, 1916 letter addressed to A.M. Joyce, Superintendent of the U.S. Mint" which is excerpted below.[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]"I am returning to you herewith two of the four sample quarters you sent me, one being blank on one side with the reverse design on the other, and the other being your number 4, as submitted in your letter of October 20th."[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]"With one slight alteration, the design as it appears on No. 4 is acceptable. The slight alteration referred to is the elimination of the two leaves in the angle of the letter "L" in the word 'Liberty'. You will notice that I have scratched these two leaves off the coin I am returning to you. With this slight change you may go ahead and make up the dies for the finished coin."[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Would you like to see the other two patterns that were originally retained by the Treasury Secretary?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]They now reside in the Smithsonian. Click [URL="http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html"]http://uspatterns.com/[/URL][/FONT][URL="http://uspatterns.com/photoarchives1.html"][FONT=Times New Roman]photoarchives1.html[/FONT][/URL][FONT=Times New Roman] and scroll to Quarters. Click J1988P1248. Scroll to fifth paragraph. Click on "here." Scoll until both coins are in full view.[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=5] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]So the dies were finally ready for striking 1916 SLQs. The ready-for-striking dies had one other change: Stars replaced the laurel and oak branches on the reverse.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Before I show you a photo of the finished product I want to remind you about two important aspects of SLQs that greatly increase their value:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]1). Quality of "strike" and "preservation" of head of liberty on obverse (aka Full head).[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]2) Quality of "strike" and "preservation" of stars on the shield.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Here's a rare opportunity to view a SLQ that has both, courtesy of Coin Facts:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][URL]http://www.coinfacts.com/quarter_dollars/standing_liberty_quarters/standing_liberty_quarter_dolla.html[/URL][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Isn't that a beauty (desireable)?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]This 1917 is a "Variety 1" specimen (bare breast)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]A public outcry over the exposed breast brought pressure to change the obverse. MacNeil, himself, was called in to do that. Now, Lady Liberty's a fictional character, so, MacNeil, regarding his design as a work of art, decided to radically change her garb. He'd show all those complainers! He put a chain mail breastplate on Lady Liberty and added three stars beneath the eagle on the reverse. Take a look at this 1917-S "Variety 2":[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][URL]http://www.coinfacts.com/quarter_dollars/standing_liberty_quarters/1917s_quarter_dollar_type2.htm[/URL][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]This design lasted through 1924. Because the dates were raised letters, premature wearing away of the date prompted the mint to recess the date (no other changes were made) on 1925 through 1930 coins.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Here's an overworn date quarter before 1925:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SLQ_No_Date.png\[/URL][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Here's a photo of a 1925 courtesy of Coin Page and roundmetal:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][URL]http://www.coinpage.com/coin-image-1264.html[/URL][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Thought you'd like to know...[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Clinker - Free Numismatic Fun Website Updated Monthly:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][URL]http://clinker.bravehost.com/funpage2.html[/URL][/SIZE][/FONT] [/SIZE][/QUOTE]
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