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<p>[QUOTE="Clinker, post: 410758, member: 6229"]<font size="5">You know Morgan designed the Silver Dollar minted in 1878 and you know the obverse and reverse designs selected AND you know the composition. You, also, know there were two reverses (7 tail feathers, 8 tail feathers), but do you know what other designs were proposed for the Silver Dollar and the composition they might have been?</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">I'm talking about the "Pattern Dollars" produced from 1878 through1880.</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">I'm sure you know "Pattern Dollars" were struck in copper, silver, aluminum, lead and white metal, but do you know some were struck in <b>Goloid</b>?</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><b>Goloid</b> is an alloy of silver, gold and copper patented by Dr. William Wheeler Hubbell on May 22, 1877 (U.S. patent #191,146). The patent specifies 1 part gold (about 3.6%), 24 parts silver (about 87.3%), and 2.5 parts copper (about 9.1%, all by weight); however, the patent also states that "The proportions may be slightly varied" and goes on to specify that the silver portion can range from 20 times to 30 times that of the gold, and the copper could range from one-eighth to one-twelfth (from 12.5% to 8.33%) of the total mixture. The patent specifies that the metals be separately melted, then mixed, along with "sodium sulphate or potassium sulphate" in the amount of one part sulfate to one thousand parts metal. The alloy, in varying proportions (sometimes slightly out of these specifications), was used by the United States Mint to strike pattern dollars, sometimes called "metric dollars" (some were marked with "metric" in the coin design). </font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">In the end, <b>Goloid</b> was rejected as a coinage metal because it could not be distinguished from the normal U.S. 90% silver coin alloy without chemical analysis, thus inviting counterfeiters to use silver-copper alloys alone to make lower-value copies.</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">This trivia covers only " what-might-have-been" <b>Goloid </b>Pattern Dollars.</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">Hope you enjoy (most photos courtesy of uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">This first <b>Goloid</b> Dollar was designed by Charles E. Barber (Barber Dimes, Quarters and Half Dollars).</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">Its Judd Number is J1557:</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_7484617" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_7484617" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_7484617</a>. </font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">This 2nd <b>Goloid </b>Dollar of 1878 is listed by Judd as J1562. This design is considered the highest polished Dollar created:</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_7964370" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_7964370" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_7964370</a></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">Shown next is Barber's third design for 1878 (Judd 1653):</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_8259261" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_8259261" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_8259261</a></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">This pattern Dollar designed by William Barber is thought to have been executed by Barber's son, Charles.</font></p><p><font size="5">Judd 1617 (This is a "metric Dollar" design):</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_17957315" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_17957315" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_17957315</a></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">NOTE: The obverse on the "metric Dollar" (Large Head) is similar to the one used on the $50 Half Union patterns. Here's a bonus to this Trivia (Judd 1548):</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_5262787" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_5262787" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_5262787</a></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">This Dollar pattern was designed by Morgan and is considered by many to be one of the uglier designs struck by our mint:</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">Judd 1622:</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_18162310" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_18162310" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_18162310</a></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">This one uses William Barber's obverse of 1878, but changes the reverse (100 Cents).</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">Judd 1629:</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_18269139" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_18269139" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_18269139</a></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">This one features George T. Morgan's coiled hair design similar to the design used on $4 Gold Stellas.</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">Judd 1633:</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_18391516" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_18391516" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_18391516</a></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">As a bonus to you here's the $4 Gold Stella mentioned:</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_19254671" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_19254671" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_19254671</a></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">And now for the <b>Goloid </b>PatternDollars of 1880:</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">Judd 1645:</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_20977512" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_20977512" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_20977512</a></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">Judd 1648:</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_21154378" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_21154378" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_21154378</a></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">Judd1651:</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_21328423" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_21328423" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_21328423</a></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">This one (Judd 1656) is a repeat of Morgan's Coiled hair design used in 1879:</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><a href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_21519280" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_21519280" rel="nofollow">http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_21519280</a></font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5"><b>NOTE: </b>All patterns pictured in this trivia are really Essais!</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">Surprised? I hope so....</font></p><p><font size="5"> </font></p><p><font size="5">Clinker</font></p><p><font size="5"></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Clinker, post: 410758, member: 6229"][SIZE=5]You know Morgan designed the Silver Dollar minted in 1878 and you know the obverse and reverse designs selected AND you know the composition. You, also, know there were two reverses (7 tail feathers, 8 tail feathers), but do you know what other designs were proposed for the Silver Dollar and the composition they might have been? I'm talking about the "Pattern Dollars" produced from 1878 through1880. I'm sure you know "Pattern Dollars" were struck in copper, silver, aluminum, lead and white metal, but do you know some were struck in [B]Goloid[/B]? [B]Goloid[/B] is an alloy of silver, gold and copper patented by Dr. William Wheeler Hubbell on May 22, 1877 (U.S. patent #191,146). The patent specifies 1 part gold (about 3.6%), 24 parts silver (about 87.3%), and 2.5 parts copper (about 9.1%, all by weight); however, the patent also states that "The proportions may be slightly varied" and goes on to specify that the silver portion can range from 20 times to 30 times that of the gold, and the copper could range from one-eighth to one-twelfth (from 12.5% to 8.33%) of the total mixture. The patent specifies that the metals be separately melted, then mixed, along with "sodium sulphate or potassium sulphate" in the amount of one part sulfate to one thousand parts metal. The alloy, in varying proportions (sometimes slightly out of these specifications), was used by the United States Mint to strike pattern dollars, sometimes called "metric dollars" (some were marked with "metric" in the coin design). In the end, [B]Goloid[/B] was rejected as a coinage metal because it could not be distinguished from the normal U.S. 90% silver coin alloy without chemical analysis, thus inviting counterfeiters to use silver-copper alloys alone to make lower-value copies. This trivia covers only " what-might-have-been" [B]Goloid [/B]Pattern Dollars. Hope you enjoy (most photos courtesy of uspatterns.com): This first [B]Goloid[/B] Dollar was designed by Charles E. Barber (Barber Dimes, Quarters and Half Dollars). Its Judd Number is J1557: [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_7484617[/url]. This 2nd [B]Goloid [/B]Dollar of 1878 is listed by Judd as J1562. This design is considered the highest polished Dollar created: [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_7964370[/url] Shown next is Barber's third design for 1878 (Judd 1653): [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_8259261[/url] This pattern Dollar designed by William Barber is thought to have been executed by Barber's son, Charles. Judd 1617 (This is a "metric Dollar" design): [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_17957315[/url] NOTE: The obverse on the "metric Dollar" (Large Head) is similar to the one used on the $50 Half Union patterns. Here's a bonus to this Trivia (Judd 1548): [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_5262787[/url] This Dollar pattern was designed by Morgan and is considered by many to be one of the uglier designs struck by our mint: Judd 1622: [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_18162310[/url] This one uses William Barber's obverse of 1878, but changes the reverse (100 Cents). Judd 1629: [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_18269139[/url] This one features George T. Morgan's coiled hair design similar to the design used on $4 Gold Stellas. Judd 1633: [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_18391516[/url] As a bonus to you here's the $4 Gold Stella mentioned: [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_19254671[/url] And now for the [B]Goloid [/B]PatternDollars of 1880: Judd 1645: [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_20977512[/url] Judd 1648: [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_21154378[/url] Judd1651: [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_21328423[/url] This one (Judd 1656) is a repeat of Morgan's Coiled hair design used in 1879: [url]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_2009_21519280[/url] [B]NOTE: [/B]All patterns pictured in this trivia are really Essais! Surprised? I hope so.... Clinker [/SIZE][/QUOTE]
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