Trivia - Edges

Discussion in 'Clinker - In Memoriam' started by Clinker, Nov 17, 2006.

  1. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    There are two main reasons for reeding on a coin's edge.

    1. Before reeding, unscrupulous people would scrape or file flakes off the edges of copper, gold and silver coins. Reeding prevents this. Eight different varieties of reeding are incorporated. Three of these utilize the full width of the edge (coin's thickness); straight lines, left-slanted lines and right-slanted lines. Three occupy only the very center of the coin edge's width; again, straight lines, left-slanted and right-slanted. The other two are a herringbone design; one facing left and one facing right, full width.

    2. To make it harder for counterfeiters three varieties of security reeding were improvised using solid blocks and straight lines.

    You, a numismatist, should know what reedings are on the edge of the type or variety of coin/s you collect, so you can protect yourself from acquiring a counterfeit or fake coin.

    NOTE 1: There is another edge factor to become familiar with; lettered. Do the coins you collect have edge lettering? There are five things you should know. What is the message? Is it repetitive? Are the letters raised or incuse?

    Are devices like dots, stars, hyphens, rosettes, or some other symbol used to separate the words or phrases? Does the wording face toward the obverse of the coin, the reverse of the coin or do they alternately face opposite directions?

    NOTE 1.a: 1992 Olympic silver dollars minted at Denver have a lettered edge. It reads XXV OLYMPICS and is impressed four times, alternately inverted, on a reeded background!

    NOTE 1.b: West Point minted 173,224 uncirculated versions of the 1993 "Bill of Rights" silver half dollars. For some reason 9,656 of these were secretly edge-stamped with a serial number and the initials of two nonprofit organizations (the Madison Foundation and the American Numismatic Association). The obverse of the coin depicts James Madison writing the Bill of Rights

    NOTE 2: Some slabbing companies now have (or soon will have) slabs that not only reveal the obverse and reverse of a coin, but will also let you see the edge.

    Clinker
     
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  3. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    Good info Clinker.

    One of the principal diagnostics for attributing Maria Therese Thalers, original and restrikes, is the edge markings. There are several varieties used at various restrike mints over the centuries that this coin has been produced.
     
  4. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    Thanks for the extra input.

    Clinker
     
  5. acanthite

    acanthite ALIIS DIVES

    This trivia encouraged me to go dig out my two Maria Theresa Thalers that I bought many years ago in Egypt and look at the edges, they have the words CLEMENTIA AND IUSTITIA with a pattern of dots, stars and comet-like images. They're such beautiful coins. Due to their origin in the bowels of Cairo's Khan Al-Khalili market, however, I have never completely trusted their authenticity.

    Thanks for the info, Clinker
     
  6. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    Acanthite, if you want to verify your MTs, try scrolling about halfway down this page for detailed information on the edge designs.
     
  7. toddestan

    toddestan New Member



    I've never heard of this. Does the variety with the edge stamping command a premium?
     
  8. acanthite

    acanthite ALIIS DIVES

    Those sites are very informative, that was fun to puzzle out. Thanks for the tip.
     
  9. Mikjo0

    Mikjo0 Numismatist

    Clinker,
    Another interesting trivia post!Thanks.
    Here is my favorite "artsy" edge design.A 1930's Hungarian 5 Pengo.
     

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  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Good job as always Clinker, but now another part of the story. Who first came up with the idea of using an edge design, why did they and when ?
     
  11. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    To Toddestan

    toddestan:

    Not at this time. Once they get listed as a separate vaiety in a "trends" publication or when dealers start puting them in their "coins for sale" lists or on their websites, they'll start appreciating in value. At this time I don't know of any being offered for sale.

    Clinker
     
  12. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    satootoka:

    Thanks for adding to my trivia! The website page was the icing on the cake!

    Clinker
     
  13. Mikjo0

    Mikjo0 Numismatist

    Doug,
    Was it by any chance the milled Spanish pillar coins with that floral edged design?
    I always thought it was to prevent clipping or filing.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It was to prevent clipping.

    In 1639, French engineer Pierre Blondeau perfected milling around the edge of coins to prevent clipping. Taking advantage of the new technique, Louis XIII of France instituted a complete recoinage the following year with milled-edge coins, including a newly designed Louis d'or of 0.21 oz (6.75 grams). Louis banished hammered coins from his mint in 1645. Blondeau later worked for the royal mint in England, and issued the first British coins with milled edges in 1663. He also urged a complete recoinage, too, but it was not undertaken until 1696.
     
  15. Mikjo0

    Mikjo0 Numismatist

    I don't suppose you just happen to own one of these do you Doug?:smile
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Afraid not Mik, I never got around to Louie XIII.
     
  17. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    ND86: That's the quality of the CT members. A willingness to share. That's why we, novice collector and long-time pro, comes here!

    Clinker
     
  18. Mikjo0

    Mikjo0 Numismatist

    Doug,
    I only have one of his coins myself and it certainly isn't gold and definitely has no edge markings.In fact it's downright scruffy lookin' but what the heck:D
     

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  19. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector Supporter

    The £1 circulation coins (in the UK) and the €2 circulation coins (here in Euroland) use that combination too.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fake-and-real.jpg (the upper one is a fake piece)
    http://www.emuenzen.de/galerie/data/500/Vergleich_2_Euro_Rand.jpg

    Also, in both cases the "orientation" of the edge inscription is pretty much accidental: First the edge elements (letters, ornaments, etc.) are done, then the obverse and reverse are struck.

    A side note - for our 2 cent coins another interesting edge variety is used: One incused line that goes all around the edge and "divides" it into two halves ...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Eurocent_edges_(2,10,20).jpg

    Christian
     
  20. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Double Tournois.

    Mikjo0,your Double Tournois was struck at the La Rochelle Mint.The 'H' mintmark is found below the King's portrait.

    Aidan.
     
  21. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    chrisid:

    Thanks for sharing that info on the Euros.

    Clinker
     
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