Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Coin Chat
>
Trivia: Did we get the right Trade Dollar?
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="Clinker, post: 291196, member: 6229"]As you probably know the last United States regular issue Seated Liberty Silver Dollar was struck in early 1873 at the following mints:</p><p> </p><p>1) Philadelphia (no mint mark) 293,000 business strikes/600 proofs</p><p>2) Carson City (CC mint mark) 2,300 business strikes</p><p><b>Here's an image of the Philly coin: (courtesy of coinfacts.com)</b></p><p><b></b><a href="http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dollars/seated_liberty_dollars/1873_silver_dollar.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dollars/seated_liberty_dollars/1873_silver_dollar.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dollars/seated_liberty_dollars/1873_silver_dollar.htm</a></p><p>The Seated Liberty Dollar was replaced by the Trade Dollar later in 1873 as a medium of trade with China, Korea and Japan.</p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial">Trade Dollars were not struck for circulation in the United States initially, but were legal tender for up to $5. Things changed, however, in 1876, when the price of silver spiraled downward as western producers dumped silver on the market, making the Trade Dollar worth more at face value than its silver content. That resulted in Trade Dollars pouring back into the United States, as they were bought for as little as the equivalent of 80 US cents in Asia, and were then spent at $1 in the United States. This prompted Congress to revoke their legal tender status, and restrict their coinage to exportation demand only.</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial">Production of the Trade Dollar was officially halted for business strikes in 1878, and thereafter from 1879-1885, produced only as proofs. The issues of 1884 and 1885 were produced surreptitiously, and were unknown to the collecting public until 1908.</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial">You will recognize this Trade Dollar (image courtesy of coinfacts.com)</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"></font><a href="http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dollars/trade_dollars/1873_trade_dollar.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dollars/trade_dollars/1873_trade_dollar.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dollars/trade_dollars/1873_trade_dollar.htm</a></p><p> </p><p>But, do you know what the Trade Dollar could have looked like?</p><p><font face="Arial">This design is the first Trade Dollar pattern. It uses Longacre's indian princess design with 22 stars on the flag. This was apparently implemented by William Barber as Longacre died in 1869</font></p><p><font face="Arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Arial">(image courtesy of uspaterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><b>NOTE: </b>Instead of "Trade Dollar" on reverse, it states "Commercial Dollar" and has the grams and silver fineness below "Dollar"and "E Plurbis Unum" in scroll at bottom. Lots of differences on the obverse too: Location of Liberty, Freedom Cap on long pole held by Liberty, rolled banners behind Liberty, and what else do <b>you</b> see different?</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1861_21979" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1861_21979" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1861_21979</a></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"></font><font face="Arial">This next pattern Trade Dollar has the regular seated liberty obverse combined with the commmercial dollar reverse (image courtesy uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1886_7186283" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1886_7186283" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1886_7186283</a></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"></font><font face="arial">This next pattrern was Struck from William Barber's lower relief copy of the Longacre indian princess design. Note the obverse was struck with the regular "Trade Dollar" design (image courtesy of uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_14213698" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_14213698" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_14213698</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"></font><font face="arial">The "Trade Dollar" could have been struck with this obverse and reverse (image courtesy of uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15362719" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15362719" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15362719</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"></font><font face="arial">...or these ( "e pluribus unum" not in scroll) (image courtesy of uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15431496" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15431496" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15431496</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"></font><font face="arial">...or these ("e pluribus unum" in scroll) (image courtesy of uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1866_30791" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1866_30791" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1866_30791</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">...and did you know the "Trade Dollar" could have had this <i>Amazonian </i>Liberty Head (facing right) obverse? (image courtesy uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1896_30853" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1896_30853" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1896_30853</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">If you think you've seen all the possibilities, look at this pattern's reverse (image courtesy of uspatterns.com)):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15636520" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15636520" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15636520</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">Notice the "420 grains" and "900 fineness" in a continuous line on the reverse of this one. </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15850048" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15850048" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15850048</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">This pattern's reverse has "420 Grains" in a line with a line reading "900 fine" in a separate line below, plus the motto "In God we trust" is on a ribbon at the lower center (image courtesy of uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16173694" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16173694" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16173694</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">This next "Trade Dollar" pattern features a smaller "Trade" above a large "Dollar" in the upper center of the coin (image courtesy of uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16110561" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16110561" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16110561</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">Just look at the size of the :Freedom Cap" and the "pole"! What other differences do you see? (image courtesy of Teletrade):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16314459" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16314459" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16314459</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">On this one I'm letting you discover the differences all by yourself (image courtesy uspatterns):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16465026" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16465026" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16465026</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">This next one's Seated Liberty obverse has no sheaves of wheat or flags behind her and no Freedom Cap on a pole (image courtesy uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16671446" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16671446" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16671446</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">This one is a regular dies <b><i>trial</i></b> piece. Those struck in copper and aluminum were deliberately struck for sale to collectors as part of complete off-metal sets. Those struck in white metal or tin, however, are believed to be true <b><i>trial</i></b> pieces. A letter dated July 11, 1873 from Mint Superintendent James Pollock to Mint Director Henry Linderman confirms this:</font></p><p><font face="arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="arial">"I send you a specimen of a trade dollar in tin struck today. We will commence the regular coinage of trade $ in a few hours. The enclosed will give you a tolerably correct idea of the silver dollar."</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">Here's an image of the "tin" pattern (trial piece"):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1873_18160" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1873_18160" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1873_18160</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">Here's the "copper" pattern ("trial piece") (image courtesy of uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="arial"></font><font face="Arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_84608786" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_84608786" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns</a></font><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_84608786" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_84608786" rel="nofollow"><font face="Times New Roman">_1794_84608786</font></a></p><p><font face="Arial">The popular "Liberty at the Seashore" obverse combined with the Commercial Dollar reverse. This is believed to be a fantasy coin deliberately struck for sale to collectors (image courtesy of uspatterns,com):</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1892_18389" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1892_18389" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1892_18389</a></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial">The popular "Liberty at the seashore" obverse combined with the regular type I reverse with the berry under the eagle's claw. (image courtesy of uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_19097449" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_19097449" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_19097449</a></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial">Here's a pattern attributed to the year "1876," <b>BUT!!</b></font></p><p><font face="Arial"><b> </b></font></p><p><font face="Arial"><b></b>Paquet's trade dollar design without date. The following is excerpted from the May 1999 Bass I sale and gives the reason for the this dateless pattern being struck in 1876.</font></p><p><font face="Arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Arial">"</font><font face="Arial"><span style="color: #0000ff">For many years this coin, which bears no date, was included among patterns of 1873. However, Walter Breen has suggested that this may represent the result of the $600 paid to Anthony C. Paquet for hubs made in May, 1876. At that time some thought was given to redesigning the trade dollar, and Paquet, who had been working in the private sector for over a decade, was tapped to do the work on commission</span></font><font face="Arial">".</font></p><p><font face="Arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Arial">Addition support for an 1876 mintage was found by Roger Burdette in the Mint Archives. "</font><font face="Arial"><span style="color: #0000ff">Pattern coin dies held by Coiner (Bosbyshell) on Dec 18, 1877: Trade Dollar dies – without date made by Paquet, 1 obverse and 1 reverse.</span></font><font face="Arial">" (image courtesy uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1943_13246202" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1943_13246202" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1943_13246202</a></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial">This one was struck on copper and <b>is</b> dated 1876! (photo courtesy of Heritage):</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_86369377" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_86369377" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_86369377</a></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial">As with most die trials made from the 1860s onward, this next piece was deliberately struck and presented to A.M. Smith who was the author of the Mint's Visitors Guide. Notice the date. (image courtesy uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_86433763" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_86433763" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_86433763</a></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"></font><font face="arial">This last "Trade Dollar" pattern is probably the most desireous pattern to own. It is dated 1884 and struck in copper. As with most die trials made from the 1860s onward, these were deliberately struck. The two known examples were presented to the same A.M. Smith as was the 1888 dated coin presented before this one. (image courtesy uspatterns.com):</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial"><a href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_80257813" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_80257813" rel="nofollow">http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_80257813</a></font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">Do you think the right design was selected to strike the "Trade Dollar" or did you like one of the other designs better? Which one?</font></p><p><font face="arial"> </font></p><p><font face="arial">Cllinker</font></p><p><font face="arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="arial"></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Clinker, post: 291196, member: 6229"]As you probably know the last United States regular issue Seated Liberty Silver Dollar was struck in early 1873 at the following mints: 1) Philadelphia (no mint mark) 293,000 business strikes/600 proofs 2) Carson City (CC mint mark) 2,300 business strikes [B]Here's an image of the Philly coin: (courtesy of coinfacts.com) [/B][url]http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dollars/seated_liberty_dollars/1873_silver_dollar.htm[/url] The Seated Liberty Dollar was replaced by the Trade Dollar later in 1873 as a medium of trade with China, Korea and Japan. [FONT=Arial]Trade Dollars were not struck for circulation in the United States initially, but were legal tender for up to $5. Things changed, however, in 1876, when the price of silver spiraled downward as western producers dumped silver on the market, making the Trade Dollar worth more at face value than its silver content. That resulted in Trade Dollars pouring back into the United States, as they were bought for as little as the equivalent of 80 US cents in Asia, and were then spent at $1 in the United States. This prompted Congress to revoke their legal tender status, and restrict their coinage to exportation demand only. Production of the Trade Dollar was officially halted for business strikes in 1878, and thereafter from 1879-1885, produced only as proofs. The issues of 1884 and 1885 were produced surreptitiously, and were unknown to the collecting public until 1908. You will recognize this Trade Dollar (image courtesy of coinfacts.com) [/FONT][URL]http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dollars/trade_dollars/1873_trade_dollar.htm[/URL] But, do you know what the Trade Dollar could have looked like? [FONT=Arial]This design is the first Trade Dollar pattern. It uses Longacre's indian princess design with 22 stars on the flag. This was apparently implemented by William Barber as Longacre died in 1869 (image courtesy of uspaterns.com): [B]NOTE: [/B]Instead of "Trade Dollar" on reverse, it states "Commercial Dollar" and has the grams and silver fineness below "Dollar"and "E Plurbis Unum" in scroll at bottom. Lots of differences on the obverse too: Location of Liberty, Freedom Cap on long pole held by Liberty, rolled banners behind Liberty, and what else do [B]you[/B] see different? [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1861_21979[/URL] [/FONT][FONT=Arial]This next pattern Trade Dollar has the regular seated liberty obverse combined with the commmercial dollar reverse (image courtesy uspatterns.com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1886_7186283[/URL] [/FONT][FONT=arial]This next pattrern was Struck from William Barber's lower relief copy of the Longacre indian princess design. Note the obverse was struck with the regular "Trade Dollar" design (image courtesy of uspatterns.com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_14213698[/URL] [/FONT][FONT=arial][/FONT][FONT=arial]The "Trade Dollar" could have been struck with this obverse and reverse (image courtesy of uspatterns.com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15362719[/URL] [/FONT][FONT=arial][/FONT][FONT=arial]...or these ( "e pluribus unum" not in scroll) (image courtesy of uspatterns.com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15431496[/URL] [/FONT][FONT=arial][/FONT][FONT=arial]...or these ("e pluribus unum" in scroll) (image courtesy of uspatterns.com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1866_30791[/URL] ...and did you know the "Trade Dollar" could have had this [I]Amazonian [/I]Liberty Head (facing right) obverse? (image courtesy uspatterns.com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1896_30853[/URL] If you think you've seen all the possibilities, look at this pattern's reverse (image courtesy of uspatterns.com)): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15636520[/URL] Notice the "420 grains" and "900 fineness" in a continuous line on the reverse of this one. [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_15850048[/URL] This pattern's reverse has "420 Grains" in a line with a line reading "900 fine" in a separate line below, plus the motto "In God we trust" is on a ribbon at the lower center (image courtesy of uspatterns.com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16173694[/URL] This next "Trade Dollar" pattern features a smaller "Trade" above a large "Dollar" in the upper center of the coin (image courtesy of uspatterns.com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16110561[/URL] Just look at the size of the :Freedom Cap" and the "pole"! What other differences do you see? (image courtesy of Teletrade): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16314459[/URL] On this one I'm letting you discover the differences all by yourself (image courtesy uspatterns): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16465026[/URL] This next one's Seated Liberty obverse has no sheaves of wheat or flags behind her and no Freedom Cap on a pole (image courtesy uspatterns.com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_16671446[/URL] This one is a regular dies [B][I]trial[/I][/B][I][/I] piece. Those struck in copper and aluminum were deliberately struck for sale to collectors as part of complete off-metal sets. Those struck in white metal or tin, however, are believed to be true [B][I]trial[/I][/B][I][/I] pieces. A letter dated July 11, 1873 from Mint Superintendent James Pollock to Mint Director Henry Linderman confirms this: "I send you a specimen of a trade dollar in tin struck today. We will commence the regular coinage of trade $ in a few hours. The enclosed will give you a tolerably correct idea of the silver dollar." Here's an image of the "tin" pattern (trial piece"): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1873_18160[/URL] Here's the "copper" pattern ("trial piece") (image courtesy of uspatterns.com): [/FONT][FONT=Arial][URL="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_84608786"]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns[/URL][/FONT][URL="http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_84608786"][FONT=Times New Roman]_1794_84608786[/FONT][/URL][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Arial]The popular "Liberty at the Seashore" obverse combined with the Commercial Dollar reverse. This is believed to be a fantasy coin deliberately struck for sale to collectors (image courtesy of uspatterns,com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1892_18389[/URL] The popular "Liberty at the seashore" obverse combined with the regular type I reverse with the berry under the eagle's claw. (image courtesy of uspatterns.com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_19097449[/URL] Here's a pattern attributed to the year "1876," [B]BUT!! [/B]Paquet's trade dollar design without date. The following is excerpted from the May 1999 Bass I sale and gives the reason for the this dateless pattern being struck in 1876. "[/FONT][FONT=Arial][COLOR=#0000ff]For many years this coin, which bears no date, was included among patterns of 1873. However, Walter Breen has suggested that this may represent the result of the $600 paid to Anthony C. Paquet for hubs made in May, 1876. At that time some thought was given to redesigning the trade dollar, and Paquet, who had been working in the private sector for over a decade, was tapped to do the work on commission[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Arial]". Addition support for an 1876 mintage was found by Roger Burdette in the Mint Archives. "[/FONT][FONT=Arial][COLOR=#0000ff]Pattern coin dies held by Coiner (Bosbyshell) on Dec 18, 1877: Trade Dollar dies – without date made by Paquet, 1 obverse and 1 reverse.[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Arial]" (image courtesy uspatterns.com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1943_13246202[/URL] This one was struck on copper and [B]is[/B] dated 1876! (photo courtesy of Heritage): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_86369377[/URL] As with most die trials made from the 1860s onward, this next piece was deliberately struck and presented to A.M. Smith who was the author of the Mint's Visitors Guide. Notice the date. (image courtesy uspatterns.com): [URL]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_86433763[/URL] [/FONT][FONT=arial]This last "Trade Dollar" pattern is probably the most desireous pattern to own. It is dated 1884 and struck in copper. As with most die trials made from the 1860s onward, these were deliberately struck. The two known examples were presented to the same A.M. Smith as was the 1888 dated coin presented before this one. (image courtesy uspatterns.com): [url]http://store1.yimg.com/I/uspatterns_1794_80257813[/url] Do you think the right design was selected to strike the "Trade Dollar" or did you like one of the other designs better? Which one? Cllinker [/FONT][/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Coin Chat
>
Trivia: Did we get the right Trade Dollar?
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...