TRIVIA: 20 Cent Factoid

Why do they give the * designation?
And what is PVC on coins and how does it form?

 

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Yeah, I try not to get into a competition with Shane (kryptonitecomics); it is a losing proposition. He has some absolutely spectacular toned coins. Here is a photo of the 1966 SMS Lincoln for those that missed it in the NGC thread. This is a really fun coin.



Cool as the other side of the pillow.

PS. Freaky, NGC awards the star designation for coins with exceptional eye appeal.

 

How do you think that '66 toned like that?


and yeah, he seems to have some fantastic toners.

 

Le , I think I know why you like that twenty . Great toning . But that '66 looks AT to my untrained eyes , can you explain why it's NT vrs. AT .
rzage:hail:

 

I thought on most NT coins the color is part of the surface and where say the letters or date are , the toning doesn't blanket or go over the raised parts evenly , that there would be breaks in the toning , I'm not sayiny the coin is AT , but that it sure fits the little I know pointing to AT .
rzage

 

Rusty,

The SMS coins from the 60's toned in absolute crazy ways. I personally don't know whether or not the coin is AT or NT. The color progression (yellow-magenta-cyan) is correct and it does have a look that is consistent with other SMS coins that are similarly toned but not as outrageous. As far as the colors creeping up over the devices and letters, that, in my experience, is only a really good indicator of AT on bag toned Morgans. Just about every other series of coin, I see the colors go up over the letters. Here is a Roosevelt Dime as an example. Very few people would consider this to be AT but the toning creeps up over the lettering and devices without a break.



I don't know if this analogy will help but I will offer it anyway. In poker, when a player bets and then covers their mouth, it is a tell that they are bluffing. This tell is accurate about 80% of the time. The other 20% are just people covering their mouth, not bluffers. So the tell is 80% reliable. AT indicators are also not 100% reliable. Most times, the AT indicator is true, but other times an NT coin will exhibit an indicator of AT even though it is completely original.

I know that makes trying to determine AT vs NT very frustrating, but that is a fact. Trying to determine AT from NT is extremely difficult even for the most experienced so called experts, and even they get it wrong from time to time.

Paul

 

If I ever play poker with you remind me to wear a surgical mask or tie my right hand down , The anology you used is a good one , I noticed the color progression was right on the nickle but like you said 20% still covers a lot of coins , Thanks for the heads up on the SMS coins , Boy I still have a lot to learn but thanks to people like you I am learning , Thanks keep posting these gems .
Rusty:thumb:

 

Thanks for the kudos. I try to learn as much as I can about numismatics and I would say I am an advanced collector at this point, but no where near expert or professional. I know next to nothing about copper, less about early American coinage, and absolutely nothing about foreign coins. This forum allows me to share my knowledge and learn at the same time. I think I learn something new everyday here.

As for poker, well there I am an expert. Here is a poker tip for you. You will routinely see guys wearing sun glasses and hats to try to hide their face. Everyone will always ask if you have a good poker face. My advice, don't worry about the other players face. Don't even look at his/her face. The rest of his body will give you much more information than the face which he is concentrating on hiding. You want information in a poker game, look at the other players hands when the community cards are dealt. Novice players routinely and unconsciously touch their chips when they see a card that helped their hand. This tell is almost 100% reliable. So if the guy in sunglasses and a hat touches his chip stack when an ace hits the turn and you hold pocket queens, be prepared to fold your hand.

 

Thanks for the 2 tips , I learned poker from some of the most cutthroat people in Cicero , not the mob , my relatives , they took my money gladly since I was old enough to sit on my fathers lap , mostly draw and 5 & 7 card stud , just started to learn Texas Holdem but I imagine poker is poker anywhere .
Rusty:kewl: