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<p>[QUOTE="Clinker, post: 511026, member: 6229"]<font size="5"><font size="3">After about 10 pages or so into The Official <b>RED BOOK</b> ("<b>A GUIDE BOOK OF UNITED STATES COINS") </b>you arrive at two photos of a silver coin minted in Mexico at the Mexico City Mint. The photos show the obverse and reverse of the coin. There's a double caption above the coin reading</font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font size="5"><b><font size="3">AN INTRODUCTION TO UNITED STATES COINS</font></b></p></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font size="5"><br /></p><p></font><p style="text-align: center"><b><font size="3">The Spanish Milled Dollar</font></b></p><p><br /></p><p><font size="3">Three paragraphs following the photos explain:</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">1} The coin is valued at 8 <i>Reales </i>and is aka <i>Pillar Dollar </i>and <i>Piece of Eight</i>. They were struck from 1732 through 1771. What isn't mentioned is Spain and its New World possessions called the coin <i>Columnario</i>. In Spanish a Pillar is a column. The <i>Columnario </i>designation only pertains to Silver Dollar-sized silver coins minted from 1732 through 1771.</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">2} There are fractioinal parts (1, 2, and 4 <i>Reales</i>). What isn't pointed out is all four denominations circulated as legal tender in the United States until 1857.</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">3} The coin bears the Mexico City mint mark (capital "M" topped by a tiny "o."), but may have other mint marks from mints located at Potosi, Bolivia; Santiago, Chile; Columbia; Guatemala and Lima, Peru.</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">After looking at the following photo of an 8 Reales, I will tell you what the images and text mean.</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Here's the photo, courtesy of Wikipedia:</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Philip_V_Coin.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Philip_V_Coin.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Philip_V_Coin.jpg</a></font></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><b><i><font size="3">Obverse:</font></i></b></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">The obvious (date at 6:00) (mint mark at 5:00 and 8:00). The crowned pillars of Hercules with a crown resting atop a two-hemisphere world map between them. (<font size="2">The two globes represent the Old World (Europe) and the New World (the Americas). The significance is that both worlds are under the single rule of Spain).</font></font></p><p><font size="3"><br /></font></p><p><font size="3">From 9:30 to 2:30 is "VTRAQVEVNUM" which translates into English as "BOTH (are) ONE." One word of a motto is on the left pillar (PLVS) and the second word of the motto adorns the right pillar (VLTR) with an assumed ending letter (A) and means "Plus More."</font></p><p> </p><p><b><i><font size="3">Reverse:</font></i></b></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Centered is the arms of Castile and Leon with Granada in base and an escutcheon of Anjou. Text reads from 6:30 to 5:50 as "PHILIP V D G HISPAN ET IND" translating to Philip V, by the Grace of God, King of the Spains and the Indies. The "M" above the "F" denotes the Assayer's initials and the "8" is the denomination in Reales.</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Here's a photo of a 1 Real courtesy of coinarchives</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">(Click photo to enlarge)</font></p><p> </p><p><b><i><font size="3">Obverse:</font></i></b></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Same as 8 Reales except date.</font></p><p> </p><p><b><i><font size="3">Reverse:</font></i></b></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Same as 8 Reales except a star in lieu of denomination.</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Photo 1 Real:</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">(coinarchives)</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3"><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=551080&AucID=395&Lot=74872" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=551080&AucID=395&Lot=74872" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=551080&AucID=395&Lot=74872</a></font></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><b><i><font size="3">Obverse:</font></i></b></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Date different.</font></p><p> </p><p><b><i><font size="3">Reverse:</font></i></b></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Assayer initial "R." Denomination "1."</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Photo of 2 Reales:</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">(coinarchives)</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3"><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=648610&AucID=472&Lot=621" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=648610&AucID=472&Lot=621" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=648610&AucID=472&Lot=621</a></font></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><i><b><font size="3">Obverse:</font></b></i></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Same as 8 Reales except date and Ferdinand VI instead of Philip V.</font></p><p> </p><p><b><i><font size="3">Reverse:</font></i></b></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Only difference is the Assayer's initial "R" and denomination "2."</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Photo of 4 Reales:</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">(coin archives)</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3"><a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=650726&AucID=474&Lot=1842" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=650726&AucID=474&Lot=1842" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=650726&AucID=474&Lot=1842</a></font></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><b><i><font size="3">Obverse:</font></i></b></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Only differences are Philiip V and date. NOTE: 1742/1. </font></p><p> </p><p><b><i><font size="3">Reverse:</font></i></b></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Back to Assayer "MF." Denomination: "4."</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Hope this was interesting...</font></p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Clinker</font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Clinker, post: 511026, member: 6229"][SIZE=5][SIZE=3]After about 10 pages or so into The Official [B]RED BOOK[/B] ("[B]A GUIDE BOOK OF UNITED STATES COINS") [/B]you arrive at two photos of a silver coin minted in Mexico at the Mexico City Mint. The photos show the obverse and reverse of the coin. There's a double caption above the coin reading[/SIZE] [CENTER][B][SIZE=3]AN INTRODUCTION TO UNITED STATES COINS[/SIZE][/B] [/CENTER][/SIZE][CENTER][B][SIZE=3]The Spanish Milled Dollar[/SIZE][/B][/CENTER] [SIZE=3]Three paragraphs following the photos explain:[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]1} The coin is valued at 8 [I]Reales [/I]and is aka [I]Pillar Dollar [/I]and [I]Piece of Eight[/I]. They were struck from 1732 through 1771. What isn't mentioned is Spain and its New World possessions called the coin [I]Columnario[/I]. In Spanish a Pillar is a column. The [I]Columnario [/I]designation only pertains to Silver Dollar-sized silver coins minted from 1732 through 1771.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]2} There are fractioinal parts (1, 2, and 4 [I]Reales[/I]). What isn't pointed out is all four denominations circulated as legal tender in the United States until 1857.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]3} The coin bears the Mexico City mint mark (capital "M" topped by a tiny "o."), but may have other mint marks from mints located at Potosi, Bolivia; Santiago, Chile; Columbia; Guatemala and Lima, Peru.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]After looking at the following photo of an 8 Reales, I will tell you what the images and text mean.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Here's the photo, courtesy of Wikipedia:[/SIZE] [SIZE=3][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Philip_V_Coin.jpg[/URL][/SIZE] [B][I][SIZE=3]Obverse:[/SIZE][/I][/B] [SIZE=3]The obvious (date at 6:00) (mint mark at 5:00 and 8:00). The crowned pillars of Hercules with a crown resting atop a two-hemisphere world map between them. ([SIZE=2]The two globes represent the Old World (Europe) and the New World (the Americas). The significance is that both worlds are under the single rule of Spain).[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] From 9:30 to 2:30 is "VTRAQVEVNUM" which translates into English as "BOTH (are) ONE." One word of a motto is on the left pillar (PLVS) and the second word of the motto adorns the right pillar (VLTR) with an assumed ending letter (A) and means "Plus More."[/SIZE] [B][I][SIZE=3]Reverse:[/SIZE][/I][/B] [SIZE=3]Centered is the arms of Castile and Leon with Granada in base and an escutcheon of Anjou. Text reads from 6:30 to 5:50 as "PHILIP V D G HISPAN ET IND" translating to Philip V, by the Grace of God, King of the Spains and the Indies. The "M" above the "F" denotes the Assayer's initials and the "8" is the denomination in Reales.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Here's a photo of a 1 Real courtesy of coinarchives[/SIZE] [SIZE=3](Click photo to enlarge)[/SIZE] [B][I][SIZE=3]Obverse:[/SIZE][/I][/B] [SIZE=3]Same as 8 Reales except date.[/SIZE] [B][I][SIZE=3]Reverse:[/SIZE][/I][/B] [SIZE=3]Same as 8 Reales except a star in lieu of denomination.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Photo 1 Real:[/SIZE] [SIZE=3](coinarchives)[/SIZE] [SIZE=3][URL]http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=551080&AucID=395&Lot=74872[/URL][/SIZE] [B][I][SIZE=3]Obverse:[/SIZE][/I][/B] [SIZE=3]Date different.[/SIZE] [B][I][SIZE=3]Reverse:[/SIZE][/I][/B] [SIZE=3]Assayer initial "R." Denomination "1."[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Photo of 2 Reales:[/SIZE] [SIZE=3](coinarchives)[/SIZE] [SIZE=3][URL]http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=648610&AucID=472&Lot=621[/URL][/SIZE] [I][B][SIZE=3]Obverse:[/SIZE][/B][/I] [SIZE=3]Same as 8 Reales except date and Ferdinand VI instead of Philip V.[/SIZE] [B][I][SIZE=3]Reverse:[/SIZE][/I][/B] [SIZE=3]Only difference is the Assayer's initial "R" and denomination "2."[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Photo of 4 Reales:[/SIZE] [SIZE=3](coin archives)[/SIZE] [SIZE=3][URL]http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=650726&AucID=474&Lot=1842[/URL][/SIZE] [B][I][SIZE=3]Obverse:[/SIZE][/I][/B] [SIZE=3]Only differences are Philiip V and date. NOTE: 1742/1. [/SIZE] [B][I][SIZE=3]Reverse:[/SIZE][/I][/B] [SIZE=3]Back to Assayer "MF." Denomination: "4."[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Hope this was interesting...[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Clinker[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
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