Trivia - 1861-o Half

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  1. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    You know the U.S.had a branch mint in New Orleans, Lousiana.
    You, also know Lousiana was a Southern State, seceded from the Union in 1861 and became a member of The Confederate States of America.

    Do you know that all the dies for new coinage struck by the branch mints in 1861 were made by the Philadelphia Mint?

    Here's nine things you may not have realized:

    1. New Orleans Struck 2,532,633 Liberty Seated Half Dollars during 1861.

    2. 330,000 of those were struck at New Orleans before Louisana seceded from the Union in January, 1861

    3. After secession, before Louisana became a Confederate State, New Orleans struck 1,240,000 1861-O Half Dollars.

    4. After Louisana became a Confederate State New Orleans struck 962,000 1861-O halves fulfilling their contract with the Union just before the mint was seized by the Confederacy.

    5. Since all the dies were made by the Philly Mint, there is no way to tell which were struck when. The're alike.

    6. Some of those 1861-O halves were struck with a die whose obverse had cracked during it's use.

    7. The halves with the die crack (running from nose to the rim) sell for a premium.

    8. New Orleans did not strike Union coins again until 1879.

    9. It did, however, strike Confederate half dollars using the Union's "crack-on-the-obverse" die.

    Click for image: www.coinfacts.com/half_dollars/seated_liberty_half_dollars/1861o_half_dollar.htm

    Clinker
     
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  3. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Very Cool. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Thanks for posting these trivia threads :)

    Ben
     
  4. Krasnaya Vityaz

    Krasnaya Vityaz Always Right

    Many of these coins on SS Republic ship which now being sold all over internet.
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    You can even get a set of three pieces, US, Louisiana and Confederate strikes. Certified as shipwreck coins, with salt water damage (at no extra charge).
    But, you may have to mortgage the house to buy the set.
     
  6. Krasnaya Vityaz

    Krasnaya Vityaz Always Right


    Oh there goes Volga sedan. Not for USA coin thanks.
     
  7. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    To Bonedigger

    Glad you enjoyed the Trivia!

    Clinker
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Only problem is, there's no way to tell one from the other.
     
  9. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Well, they (and NGC) claim that they can tell from the die state.

    Breen-4906, lists the 'Cracked Confederate obv.' "Crack, rim to bridge of nose close to seventh star; obv earlier used (April 1861) to make the 4 Confederate proofs."
    How they determine the Louisiana pieces is anyone's guess, unless they 'assume' an earlier die state of the die crack.
     
  10. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    To Treashunt

    Treashunt:

    YES! There were regular "broken Die" coins made that command a premium, regular business strikes of the Confederate Halves and the four proof Confederate Halves. All scarce or rare!

    Clinker
     
  11. Mikjo0

    Mikjo0 Numismatist

  12. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    To Mikjo0

    Hi Mikjo0:

    Thanks for the added link. You notice the "Liberty Cap (Freedom Cap)" hanging on a pole? It was okay for The white people of the Confederated States to be "free"' but not the black skinned people.

    Clinker
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    According to the Wiley-Bugert reference, there are two ways to tell the Confederate strikes - WB-102 and WB-104. 102 has the die crack from by the nose to next to the star. 104 is called the speared olive bud.

    Now I have no idea who actually found the details first, Breen or Wiley-Bugert. But I have a bit of a problem with it and perhaps the TPGs have the same problem ( I don't know for sure if they do or not ) which may explain why they never slab any of these coins as Confederate strikes. And that is this - that 2,202,000 would have to have been struck with the same die. And since the die was cracked already, I have a hard time believing that.

    But I am certainly no expert on the subject and could very well be wrong.
     
  14. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    Thanks for the extra info and your input on this subject.

    Clinker
     
  15. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Note from 2015 era. CSA struck coins can be Identified by their Obverse and REVERSE dies. The S.S. Republic coins conserved by NCS were very helpful toward adding to this info. Specialists in Seated Halves have also published additional info after the publication of the W/B book. Unfortunately, I am unable to lay hands on this info at this time.
     
  16. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Still have not found article BUT I am certain it appeared in the Gobrecht Journal sometime between 2002 and 2010.
     
  17. Big Money

    Big Money Member

    I am a new member here and belong to the Liberty Seated Collectors Club. The article you are looking for appeared in Volume #33 Issue #97 of the Gobrecht Journal.
     
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  18. KoinJester

    KoinJester Well-Known Member

    Ah Clinker I miss the old timer :(
     
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  19. green18

    green18 Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Me too.......
     
  20. green18

    green18 Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    And what was that fellow, posting above you, saying? Spam? Reported........
     
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    green18 Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

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