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<p>[QUOTE="gatzdon, post: 207577, member: 8247"]<b>Possible explaination for the missing inscription Washington Dollars</b></p><p><br /></p><p>OK, </p><p><br /></p><p>Sorry for starting a new thread about this, but I am anxious to run my theory before a crowd.</p><p><br /></p><p>In reviewing this thread, <a href="http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=22242" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=22242" rel="nofollow">http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=22242</a>, you will see some </p><p>pictures that the OP (n_sandler4) uploaded showing his coin with a "starburst" shaped pattern</p><p>on the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>I had twelve of these with the same pattern. I did not find a single one with the same pattern and a proper inscription, </p><p>but admittedly my theory allows for it. As all the coins I've looked at do not have any part that</p><p>matches identically, I'm arguing that it is not a problem associated with the stamping process. </p><p>I have a coin with the same die clash marks as the one pictured in the link above. The pattern </p><p>on mine is similar but does not match up with the one pictured. If the effect was die related, </p><p>you would see an increasing or diminishing pattern. As my coin has the effect in some spots not </p><p>seen in the pictured coin, and the pictured coin has the effect in some spots not seen in my coin, </p><p>I believe that it is improbable that it is related to the stamping process.</p><p><br /></p><p>I've read a few articles now about how the edge is incused. It appears that the coins are rolled</p><p>between two large discs (similar to a ball going through a pitching machine). It would appear</p><p>that both discs would need to be going at the correct speed with respect to each other in order to </p><p>rotate the coin as it is incused. This is done at an extremely high speed to maintain the </p><p>advertised production rates.</p><p><br /></p><p>If a coin were to have a drop of something on it and it were to be spun at a high speed, the drop</p><p>would radiate out in a pattern similar to what is shown in the pictures uploaded. A lubricant or </p><p>hydraulic fluid could be staining the coin or even dissolving the anitoxidant coating on the coin.</p><p>If the antioxidant coating is added after the edge inscription step, any grease on the coin</p><p>could be preventing proper application of the antioxidant and enhance the effect.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, if the machine was hydraulic or had a recirculating lubricant, a leak could eventually lead to </p><p>a failure of the equipment. If one of the rotating discs was slightly off in speed, an operator </p><p>may not visually notice anything is amiss. Unfortunately, the speeds would need to be precise to </p><p>properly rotate the coin as it goes through to give it a proper inscription. So, if the speed was </p><p>slightly off and the coins were not being rotated correctly, you would be forcing coins through, but </p><p>instead of being incused, they are being scraped. You will notice that many of the philly coins</p><p>have a sanded look to them, hence the initial guess that this error was forged rather than authentic.</p><p><br /></p><p>If the reason for the incorrect speed of one of the rotating discs was a hydraulic leak or improper</p><p>lubrication, that could explain the appearance of some of these coins and why we are only seeing</p><p>it on ones missing the edge inscription. This theory could of course permit some coins with </p><p>normal inscriptions.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, I open up to feedback on this theory and hopefully those with better insight into the specifics</p><p>of the equipment used to incuse the inscriptions can either refine it, or refute it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Don</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: red">This thread has been merged with the prior one where you first stated this theory. One topic = one thread. </span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="gatzdon, post: 207577, member: 8247"][b]Possible explaination for the missing inscription Washington Dollars[/b] OK, Sorry for starting a new thread about this, but I am anxious to run my theory before a crowd. In reviewing this thread, [url]http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=22242[/url], you will see some pictures that the OP (n_sandler4) uploaded showing his coin with a "starburst" shaped pattern on the coin. I had twelve of these with the same pattern. I did not find a single one with the same pattern and a proper inscription, but admittedly my theory allows for it. As all the coins I've looked at do not have any part that matches identically, I'm arguing that it is not a problem associated with the stamping process. I have a coin with the same die clash marks as the one pictured in the link above. The pattern on mine is similar but does not match up with the one pictured. If the effect was die related, you would see an increasing or diminishing pattern. As my coin has the effect in some spots not seen in the pictured coin, and the pictured coin has the effect in some spots not seen in my coin, I believe that it is improbable that it is related to the stamping process. I've read a few articles now about how the edge is incused. It appears that the coins are rolled between two large discs (similar to a ball going through a pitching machine). It would appear that both discs would need to be going at the correct speed with respect to each other in order to rotate the coin as it is incused. This is done at an extremely high speed to maintain the advertised production rates. If a coin were to have a drop of something on it and it were to be spun at a high speed, the drop would radiate out in a pattern similar to what is shown in the pictures uploaded. A lubricant or hydraulic fluid could be staining the coin or even dissolving the anitoxidant coating on the coin. If the antioxidant coating is added after the edge inscription step, any grease on the coin could be preventing proper application of the antioxidant and enhance the effect. Now, if the machine was hydraulic or had a recirculating lubricant, a leak could eventually lead to a failure of the equipment. If one of the rotating discs was slightly off in speed, an operator may not visually notice anything is amiss. Unfortunately, the speeds would need to be precise to properly rotate the coin as it goes through to give it a proper inscription. So, if the speed was slightly off and the coins were not being rotated correctly, you would be forcing coins through, but instead of being incused, they are being scraped. You will notice that many of the philly coins have a sanded look to them, hence the initial guess that this error was forged rather than authentic. If the reason for the incorrect speed of one of the rotating discs was a hydraulic leak or improper lubrication, that could explain the appearance of some of these coins and why we are only seeing it on ones missing the edge inscription. This theory could of course permit some coins with normal inscriptions. So, I open up to feedback on this theory and hopefully those with better insight into the specifics of the equipment used to incuse the inscriptions can either refine it, or refute it. Don [color=red]This thread has been merged with the prior one where you first stated this theory. One topic = one thread. [/color][/QUOTE]
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