Trier Follis attribution puzzle

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  1. SRSNUM

    SRSNUM Member

    Tried to attribute the follis illustrated below and am having trouble.
    Best guesses are:

    RIC 650 A 3b (D) Seltz iii, 6058

    or

    RIC 664 a 3b (D) Ox

    Below, find description and digital images. All ideas welcome.

    Description--

    FOLLIS, SEVERUS II, 305-307 AD.
    DIAMETER- 29 mm
    WEIGHT- 9.08 Gr.

    OBVERSE DIAGNOSTICS:

    LAUREATE HEAD RIGHT, CUIRASSED.
    INSCRIPTION: FL VAL SEVERVS NOBIL C

    REVERSE DIAGNOSTICS:

    GENIUS STANDING FACING,HEAD TURRETED AND TURNED RIGHT, LOINS DRAPED, HOLDING PATERA IN RIGHT HAND AND CORNUCOPIAE WITH LEFT HAND. S-F IN LEFT AND RIGHT FIELD; PTR IN THE EXERGUE.
    INSCRIPTION:GENIO POPV LI ROMANI.

    MINT-TREVERI (TRIER).

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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Let's catalog this thing, shall we? Here's the relevant listing of inscriptions and bust types in RIC vi, p. 206.

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    This is inscription 3b, bust type D.

    Let's go to the listings.

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    It can't be any of these two reasons: Type 3b (D) doesn't appear; Genius on your coin is not "naked but for chlamys over l. shoulder."

    Let's keep going.

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    Does the reverse description match? It sure does: "... head towered, loins draped ..." That's it! Scanning for obverse type 3b (D), we get 650A and 664a.

    So I'm as puzzled as you. Two catalog listings for the same coin????
     
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  4. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Supporter! Supporter

    A similar specimen is listed on coinproject with the double attribution RIC 650A / 664a and this special comments: " At this time I can't see a difference between these two issues.":(
     
  5. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    SRSNUM, That is a very handsome follis with a sensational reverse :D!. It's usually the reverse of this coin type that suffers from die wear ;). Earlier this year I scored a follis of Constantine I, also struck at the Trier Mint about the same time your coin was struck, see photo below.

    CNG 477, lot 638 image, obv. & rev..jpg
    Constantine I as Caesar, AD 306-309 (struck c. summer AD 307), Trier Mint, 1st Officina. AE Follis: 8.73 gm, 29 mm, 6 h. RIC 719b. Ex CNG Inventory 774824, July 2006.
     
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  6. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark standing on the shoulders of giants Dealer

    RIC 650a and 664a are identical, so it must be an error in listing. Note that 651 and 667a are also the same, so another error.
     
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  7. SRSNUM

    SRSNUM Member

    Thanks Al, I was fortunate to acquire the coin about 40 years ago. Below find additional images to get a bit more resolution and color fidelity from my poor Rube Goldberg setup. That is a sweet Constantine I!

    Thanks Victor for your analysis and for finding yet another error.

    Thanks to all who responded.

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  8. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    Boy does Genius look sharp on that one! His belly looks like he spent decades sculpting it in the gym, and his face like he spent decades learning about the secrets and truth of the universe. That's one hell of a god!
     
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  9. SRSNUM

    SRSNUM Member

    Oooops, sorry...neglected to crop the last image...see below...

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