Tried to conserve a Seated Half Dollar

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by C-B-D, Jun 6, 2016.

  1. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Wow, AU 55. I thought Dave was right about the old cleaning and it retoning. The dipped coin looked a tad better but the revealed fields looked muted as if by prior cleaning. I guess this old cleaning was acceptable though to most. Congrats
     
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  3. zachfromnj

    zachfromnj Junior Member

    Sheesh.. teach me your ways!
     
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  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    My point Michael was the mint didn't put anything on coins (other than those I mentioned) to try and prevent them from toning.
     
  5. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    You guys remember this?

    I've gots a feeling that 'edited' pic was showing us more imperfection than was actually there. Post some new pics when the coin arrives John........:)
     
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  6. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I will.
     
  7. Travlntiques

    Travlntiques Well-Known Member

    Congrats on that!!!
    I've only submitted 4 coins I had dipped.....2 passed, 2 came back details. It's an art for sure, very well done!
     
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  8. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I still think the dipped coin looks butt-ugly, and I would pay EF money for it, but there are the investors that buy the slab and not the coin. That is your market. You are getting all of the luck with the TPGs lately.
     
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  9. Mike Thorne

    Mike Thorne Well-Known Member

    It's too late now, of course, but maybe you should have submitted it to NCS for conservation before NGC grading.
     
  10. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    It appears I can conserve it without paying NCS. Yay for saving money!
     
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  11. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Did ya read the whole thread Mike? Seems John don't need no stinkin' conservation service.

     
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  12. ChangeinHistory

    ChangeinHistory Active Member

    Agreed, I would have just used the acetone.
     
  13. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    It didn't make a difference other than to remove a little dust.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    But the two that came back details, were they given the details because of the dipping, or for something else ?

    In other words your comment, at least to me, seems to imply that the coins were not graded because they were not dipped correctly. But that may not be the case at all. You see, you can dip a coin correctly, in other words without doing harm or damage to the coin at all with the dip itself. However, by removing the toning on the coin you may reveal other damage that could not be seen while the toning was present. Other damage that may have happened years or even decades previously.

    Toning can cover up a multitude of sins, it can render those sins invisible. And those sins can be things like a harsh cleaning, scratches, hairlines, or old environmental damage, to name a few.

    This is why dipping a coin is always a crapshoot, and that is only one of the reasons. For even if you dip the coin 100% correctly, it may reveal old damage that existed before the toning occurred. Another reason can be damage done to the coin by the toning itself. And another can be over-dipping the coin.

    But as a general rule, over-dipping the coin occurs far less frequently. Usually it's one of the other two things. But a lot of people don't realize that and they blame the dipping for causing the coin to get a details label - when it wasn't the dipping at all.
     
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  15. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Although I agree wholeheartedly with you on principle, this is incorrect except for a very kind, liberal interpretation of the word "damage."

    Dipping removes metal permanently from a coin. If that's not "damage," what is?
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    That's kind of like saying surgery to remove a malignant tumor causes damage to the body. Sure, the body is cut (damaged) and part of the body may even be removed, again damage. But only under the most literal definition of the word.

    You can take a coin that has been toned very dark, sometimes even black, a coin that is butt ugly; dip that coin correctly and reveal a coin that still has booming mint luster and truly becomes a thing of beauty, worth multiples its previous value.

    Would anybody in their right mind say that coin was damaged as a result it being dipped ? I rather think not. But if you wish to say it was - be my guest.

    Dipping coins correctly has been accepted as not doing harm to a coin for longer than you and I together have been alive. In point of fact dipping coins correctly is and always has been viewed by the numismatic community as a whole as being beneficial to the coin.

    Evidence of this is legion. Well over 80% of all older coins that have been graded and slabbed by the TPGs have been dipped. This is a fact, not an opinion. What's more, it is, and always been, quite common for coins that have been previously graded and slabbed and then dipped correctly, to be given upgrades, sometimes huge upgrades. Sometimes directly causing these coins to increase in value exponentially. This is also a fact, not an opinion.

    Given these things, saying or even implying that dipping a coin damages a coin, well, that just plain silly.

    May dipping a coin cause damage to the coin ? Yes, it absolutely may. But only when it is done incorrectly.

    There is a huge difference between something that "may" cause damage, and something that "does" cause damage.
     
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  17. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Hey, when I agree with you the only thing left to argue is semantics. :p
     
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  18. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Many people on this site are anti-semantic... :)
     
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  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Oh I am so tempted to say something here, but I won't. :D
     
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  20. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious: I GUARANTEE YOU COULD NOT IDENTIFY A PROPERLY DIPPED (as you say damaged coin) COIN from an original coin IF THE TREATMENT WAS DONE SIX TIMES TO THE SAME COIN RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES (wearing protective glasses of course). :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:
     
  21. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Acetone is generally a harmless & useful treatment; However, there are some coins (mostly circulated ones) it should not be used on.

    Old coins may acquire/develop all kinds of surface "products" both organic and inorganic. If used on the wrong coin, this "skin" will come off causing the coin to lighten and be less attractive. While Acetone leaves a coin's toning intact, often the microscopic "oily skin" makes the toning more attractive.
     
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