Tried to buy my 1st AT Peace $....

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by frattlaw, Dec 30, 2009.

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  1. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    About a year ago, I posted on this Peace dollar which was supposedly wrapped in soft cloth for protection by the owner and forgotten. Just noting for comparison as I have not been able to decide myself as to AT or NT. I have no thoughts that PCGS or NGC would slab it, but I do think it is an interesting coin.

    http://www.cointalk.com/t47886/#post522098

    Jim
     
    desertgem, Dec 30, 2009
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I never said it was bag toning, I said it was textile toning. Textile can be any form of cloth wrapped around the coin. That's how it would happen on both sides.

    And Jim, I'd forgotten all about that thread of yours.
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 30, 2009
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  4. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    I have a 1826 half that exhibits some faint textile toning on it but I've never seen anything that extreme.
     
    bqcoins, Dec 30, 2009
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  5. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I like it . Wonder why these toning jobs usually end up on 1922s and not 1928s .
    rzage
     
    rzage, Dec 30, 2009
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  6. frattlaw

    frattlaw Junior Member

    I dont like the colors on the original coin. After looking at thousands of Peace $, hundreds of toned ones -- I have never seen that color on one that I could claim looked NT. Electric blues on Peace $ make little hairs on my neck stand up on end.

    As for desertgems coins -- they look better than the original posted Ebay coin, but the one on the right the color looks off to me. The one on the left may not be true NT but it may be MA. I might be interested in purchasing them raw.
     
    frattlaw, Dec 30, 2009
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  7. frattlaw

    frattlaw Junior Member

    frattlaw, Dec 30, 2009
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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Sorry, but I don't see that as confirmation of much of anything.
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 31, 2009
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  9. frattlaw

    frattlaw Junior Member

    Okay....

    How about this coin he just sold... same colors diffferent pattern...

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    frattlaw, Dec 31, 2009
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  10. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    I saw you and Phyisics fan mention storage bags and assumed that what you were talking about.
     
    vipergts2, Dec 31, 2009
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I understood your point the first time. But I still have to say that it does not confirm or prove anything.

    Sorry, but to me proof is bit more entailed than saying this coin must be AT because that coin is AT.

    Would you say the same thing if a seller sold a coin with what most would consider NT - but yet was offering to sell another where people were not so sure ? Would you then say that the second coin must be NT also just because the first one was ?

    Now do you get my point ?
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 31, 2009
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  12. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    I think it's been dipped. I do not care for toned coins. Some of the toning is used to covering up bad distracting things on coins. :)-O)
     
    Searcher64, Dec 31, 2009
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I was talking about storage bags viper, and yes peace dollars were stored in them. And yes there are Peace dollars that exist that do have bag toning on them. And there are 2 types of bag toning - the common arced tone design from 1 coin overlaying another, and the toning where the coin was touching the bag itself which results in a type of textile toning. There are toned Peace dollars with both types - and that is the main point I was trying to get across. That they DO exist.

    But I did not mean to imply that this particular coin had bag toning on it, which why I said it had textile toning.
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 31, 2009
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  14. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    Thanks for the clairification.
     
    vipergts2, Dec 31, 2009
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  15. frattlaw

    frattlaw Junior Member

    Its called deductive reasoning...

    But under your theory unless the seller admitted to it being AT or you were in the room at the time the coin was ATed, you would probably say it wasnt enough proof for you... Correct ?

    Please explain what would be proof enough for you ?
     
    frattlaw, Dec 31, 2009
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  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Sure - seeing the coin in hand.

    In my very first post in this thread I said that it was possible that the coin was AT. But I also explained why I didn't think it was.

    Now if you, or anybody else wishes to believe that it is AT - that's certainly OK by me. But to claim proof, either way, based merely on photographs and another auction listing, which may or may not even be by the same seller (I checked and I couldn't find the OP's coin listed by him past or present, did you ?) - I'm sorry, but that doesn't constitute proof to me. It doesn't even come close.
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 2, 2010
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