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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 2639424, member: 112&quot;]Eddie lemme ask you a question. The scenario: you&#039;re looking to buy a coin, so you ask the seller - did you clean this coin ? He answers - no I did not. </p><p><br /></p><p>Now his answer is 100% truthful, but you don&#039;t know that for sure, and there&#039;s really no way you <u>can</u> know it. You look at the coin, closely, and see nothing there. So you pretty much have to accept that his word is true - don&#039;t you ? Short and sweet, you look at the coin, see no problems, the price is fair, and you buy the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now let&#039;s turn it around. You&#039;re looking at the coin and see no problems, and the asking price is fair. But when you ask the guy did you clean this coin, he answers - yes, I did. Now what do you do ? Do you buy the coin or walk away ?</p><p><br /></p><p>Do you see what I&#039;m saying ? The scenario is the same except for one thing - his answer to your question, and it was 100% truthful in both cases. There&#039;s no problem with the coin, absolutely none not even under a loupe, and the price is fair. And you <u>want</u> the coin - so what do you do ? I can&#039;t answer for you but I think I know the answer, you go ahead and buy the coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>So again I&#039;ll ask, do you see what I&#039;m saying ? Asking your question doesn&#039;t really make any difference in regard to what you decide to do. So why bother asking it in the first place ?</p><p><br /></p><p>And there&#039;s also a 3rd scenario. In this one the guy selling you the coin answers no, that he has not cleaned the coin. His answer is truthful, and you can&#039;t see any problems with the coin. However, since the coin is over 100 years old it&#039;s obviously had more than 1 owner - what about those previous owners ? You can&#039;t ask them if they&#039;ve cleaned the coin. But let&#039;s assume that at least 1, and maybe 2 or 3 of them, have cleaned the coin. But again, you can&#039;t see any problems with the coin. Do you buy it or walk away ?</p><p><br /></p><p>Ya see I think that&#039;s what a lot of people just don&#039;t get or don&#039;t understand. It&#039;s pretty much a given that 80% or more of all older coins have been cleaned at least once, and very possibly more than once, over the course of the coin&#039;s life. And that includes all the coins in cleanly graded TPG slabs. But yet people buy &#039;em up all day long, every single day. And the fact they have been cleaned just doesn&#039;t make any difference.</p><p><br /></p><p>So why bother asking the question ? And if you don&#039;t need to ask the question, then why do the sellers need to disclose ?</p><p><br /></p><p>It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t get your point Eddie, I do. Yes, I readily agree, full disclosure is a good thing. But if in the end it doesn&#039;t make any difference then why is it needed ?</p><p><br /></p><p>This is why all proper cleaning, regardless of method, is considered superfluous, meaningless, and it always has been. It doesn&#039;t matter if the coin was cleaned with distilled water, or acetone, or any other proprietary mix of chemicals, or even dipped - as long as it was done properly, it doesn&#039;t make any difference because the coin was not harmed in any way. </p><p><br /></p><p>To me, asking a seller if the coin has been cleaned is kind of like asking if the sun is going to come up tomorrow morning - you already know it is, so why ask ? If a coin is anything but a modern mint issue you KNOW that you could bet money that it has been cleaned - and win your bet ! 80%, or more, of the time. And that, that&#039;s what I call betting odds.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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